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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 29, 2018 16:40:18 GMT -5
This planet is both an amplifier and a magnet. Three are here that seek Skywalker. They, like me, believe him to be the Chosen One.
Novmber 30th - December 6th 2018
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Post by Newan on Nov 29, 2018 17:56:21 GMT -5
These are some of the most interesting episodes in the show, might finally get my first 10 tbh
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 29, 2018 18:53:57 GMT -5
I remember not being excited for this (I was 11) since I just wanted to find out what happened to Darth Maul.
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Post by Newan on Nov 29, 2018 19:26:58 GMT -5
I remember not being excited for this (I was 11) since I just wanted to find out what happened to Darth Maul. I remember watching the first one while away on a tournament in a hotel. And I believe I watched one of the citadel episodes in the same fashion a few weeks later. I also remember season 2 and 3 had really late finishes, both in April I believe and there was a lot of 2 week gaps which was stupid and the amount of leaks they had back then could probably be attributed to that.. Zilo arc leaked over 3 weeks before its release
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Post by Star on Nov 29, 2018 21:08:17 GMT -5
These are some of the most interesting episodes in the show, might finally get my first 10 tbh I might award my second 10 for one of these episodes as well. The story for this arc was really good. I'm glad S6 and Rebels incorporated some of the themes.
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 30, 2018 15:36:40 GMT -5
Might just drop out of the rewatch tbh
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 30, 2018 16:09:31 GMT -5
Might just drop out of the rewatch tbh That moment when you suffer through the Corruption arc but then quit when it gets to Mortis.
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Post by Newan on Dec 1, 2018 1:44:14 GMT -5
Overlords is a very unique episode and there is a lot of inspiration taken from The Old Republic era that would have been amplified by Revan and Bane in the original plans. The light and dark symbols for example in the monastary are very ancient.
One of the best parts is that Liam came back to do Qui-Gon but he actually quite likes Star Wars and wanted to do the Kenobi movie I think, which may still happen.
Since The Son visited Anakin, it kind of raises the question if The Son or Daughter influenced Ahsoka visions since the Old Ahsoka kind of vanishes into thin air like Shimi did.
I’m going to give this episode a 9/10, it raises a good point that in order for balance Anakin must control both sides of the force.
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Post by Newan on Dec 1, 2018 1:45:48 GMT -5
The Father says that there are some which seek to exploit their power... which falls in line well with the plot line of Rebels and Sidious, although he says the Sith are only one entity. Who are the others? Snoke maybe?
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Post by Star on Dec 1, 2018 11:34:31 GMT -5
Might just drop out of the rewatch tbh
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Post by Star on Dec 5, 2018 18:20:37 GMT -5
Rare footage of Obi-Wan t-posing. {Spoiler}
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Post by Newan on Dec 6, 2018 2:48:32 GMT -5
Probably will finish this arc tomorrow after my first class while I wait for the next
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Post by Newan on Dec 6, 2018 14:31:01 GMT -5
Altar of Mortis is a great episode, I love all the force aspects tbh. This is really how you properly go into exploring the force, not talking about Midichlorians and boring Temple exercises....
Honestly The Son is a really underrated character IMO because he only had one arc but he’s really cool and Witwers first Clone Wars voice as The Son is just phenomenal really. I like how all his shapeshifting characters have the same eyes, I think I caught that the first time I watched the episode and knew the little creature was actually him. Also I really like his red lightning.
And yeah although it’s not confirmed I still think Ahsoka first vision with her older self was influenced by The Son or The Daughter, because it seems The Son influenced the one Anakin has at the stsrt of this episode.
Gonna give this one a 9/10 as well, overall this is definitely my highest scoring arc to date
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Post by Newan on Dec 6, 2018 15:02:40 GMT -5
Ghosts of Mortis is the highest point of the arc, a lot of cool stuff in this one from Qui-Gon, Vader Vision, and the final confrontation was pretty cool. I also think this episode was probably the best for character development between The Father and Son, idk I think The Father changes a bit when Kenobi tells him that if he and Ahsoka weren’t meant to be interfere then they wouldn’t be there. I also thought the scene where The Son visits The Daughter was a nice addition.
So I’m going to assume The Father turned into a force ghost and put the Jedi back on the ship and since time flows differently in Mortis that’s why they were only gone a moment, which lines up with the stuff we know about Mortis in Rebels as well.
Anyways this is my first 10/10, there’s really nothing negative about this episode and it’s a great conclusion, I’m glad it was only 3 episodes as well since that’s all it needed, some 4 episode arcs really drag on.
Also maybe I’ll start adding up my arc ratings... so for this arc it scored a 28/30, 93.3% of possible points. Mainly doing this since there’s barely any standalone left besides 2 in season 4. But either way this would be the highest scoring arc anyways to date
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 11, 2018 6:25:36 GMT -5
It's tempting just to call this whole arc a 10/10 and call it a day. But that's not really being honest or fair. So Overlords, here we go. I can't really think of any negatives so here we go. I love Mortis. Both in the day in the night, it has a great atmosphere. And I like the idea of seasons passing over a day. The visions are really great to see. And I'm glad they got Liam Neeson and Pernilla August back. Those scenes have a lot and they do really well in connecting with the movies. We don't hear too much about Qui-Gon and Shmi in this show, so I liked seeing them if anything else to see how heavy the rest on Obi-Wan and Anakin's consciousnesses. The Force-wielders are just cool in general. They don't feel like anything in Star Wars yet fit perfectly in this story. However, the real highlight is the end. Seeing Anakin realize his power is one of the greatest things ever. Anakin never got a real "Chosen One" moment in the films but this one is great. I love the setting and music and all of it. The only thing holding it back from a 10/10 is that there are simply a few too many episodes I like more than it. But since this only my third one, I don't feel too bad giving it a 9/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 11, 2018 6:35:30 GMT -5
Altar of Mortis keeps the arc going strong. I don't fully understand why, but I love the scene of Anakin climbing the LOTR tower. Just those shots of his determination show what a hero he is. Anyway, my favorite part of this episode is the Son. It kills me when he explains why he tried to kill his father. Sam Witwer's delivery is just perfect on that line and he somehow makes it sound funny. And I noticed his Emperor lines in this one. It was clever how they worked those in. His line about chains is also from Maul in Season 4 which is cool. The battles in this episode are really good. I like the Son and Daughter shapeshifting during their fight. And I like when Ahsoka is fighting Anakin and says "I hate it when you call me that." That line sounded genuine, not evil and idk for some reason I like that. Evil Ahsoka is maybe a little over the top but I think it works. Anakin isn't really worried she'll kill him but more that she'll die. Plus her smile is genuinely creepy. I think the ending scene works well and is genuinely heartbreaking yet hopeful. All around another stellar episode. 9/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 11, 2018 6:46:58 GMT -5
Ghosts of Mortis is the perfect culmination to this. I really wish they took notes when they were writing "Crisis on Naboo" but we'll get there. There's so much to like here. The first and most obvious thing is Anakin's future. There's a lot packed in there: killing younglings, choking Padme, Battle of the Heroes, Sidious, Alderaan, and finally, the Vader reveal, something which I never thought we'd see. Funny enough, Battle of the Heroes plays right before this sequence. Also, Obi-Wan doesn't forget this. He knows Anakin believes he'll do terrible things. Before this, I liked seeing Anakin talk to Qui-Gon. It seems a lot like people forget how important Qui-Gon was to Anakin. I'd argue in TPM that the relationship between Qui-Gon and Anakin had me more invested than Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. I've heard people say that ending battle was disappointing but I have to disagree. We'd already seen the Force-Wielders go all out in the last episode so I liked the more personal fight here. The Father killing himself was really unexpected and more affecting than any big battle would be. I've also heard people confused as to why the Son suddenly flips and cares about the Father. But I think it's pretty clear. The Son's nature and ambition make him want his father out of the picture. But he himself doesn't want this and hasn't thought it through. He also mourned his sister after she dies despite him fighting her. He thought he had a great destiny to fulfill but only at the end realized it wasn't worth it. The Father's death is heartbreaking as are the visuals of the rocks falling and the diamond shattering on the tower. It ends perfectly. I love this episode. 10/10.
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Post by Newan on Dec 11, 2018 12:31:16 GMT -5
Ghosts of Mortis is the perfect culmination to this. I really wish they took notes when they were writing "Crisis on Naboo" but we'll get there. There's so much to like here. The first and most obvious thing is Anakin's future. There's a lot packed in there: killing younglings, choking Padme, Battle of the Heroes, Sidious, Alderaan, and finally, the Vader reveal, something which I never thought we'd see. Funny enough, Battle of the Heroes plays right before this sequence. Also, Obi-Wan doesn't forget this. He knows Anakin believes he'll do terrible things. Before this, I liked seeing Anakin talk to Qui-Gon. It seems a lot like people forget how important Qui-Gon was to Anakin. I'd argue in TPM that the relationship between Qui-Gon and Anakin had me more invested than Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. I've heard people say that ending battle was disappointing but I have to disagree. We'd already seen the Force-Wielders go all out in the last episode so I liked the more personal fight here. The Father killing himself was really unexpected and more affecting than any big battle would be. I've also heard people confused as to why the Son suddenly flips and cares about the Father. But I think it's pretty clear. The Son's nature and ambition make him want his father out of the picture. But he himself doesn't want this and hasn't thought it through. He also mourned his sister after she dies despite him fighting her. He thought he had a great destiny to fulfill but only at the end realized it wasn't worth it. The Father's death is heartbreaking as are the visuals of the rocks falling and the diamond shattering on the tower. It ends perfectly. I love this episode. 10/10. I honestly wasn’t certain if I was going to give this one a 10/10 but after watching it I knew it was deserving. There’s like maybe 5 or 6 episodes I think will get a 10 when we get there but guess we will see if they hold up after being rewatched
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Post by Star on Dec 19, 2018 23:43:10 GMT -5
Overlords is a great intro to this arc and possibly the most compelling story of the three. Seeing the Jedi drawn into Mortis reminds me a little of when the Millennium Falcon is drawn into the Death Star, which is especially cool since this episode gives vibes of the mythos the OT had. The setting of Mortis is great, both with the landscape and the seasons changing depending on the time of day.
How we are introduced to the Ones is done nicely, with us getting the Daughter first, followed by an impressive first showing of the Son later that night. Although the Daughter is a little bland (as expected due to what she represents), the Son is very interesting. I credit Sam Witwer for most of that, since his delivery of lines makes even the smallest of scenes captivating. Knowing that he is edging closer to the Dark side also adds to the complexity of his character as he becomes more twisted. The Father ran the risk of being a little cliche, but the other episodes in this arc did enough to prevent that I think. His design and dialogue are fitting, and his relationship with Anakin was nicely done. I also like the two statues behind where he was meditating as well as how the Ones all have layered voices (like Mother Talzin).
One of the best moments of this episode is seeing Qui-Gon Jinn appear to Obi-Wan. It's interesting to wonder if this was really him or a dream/trick by the Ones. I'm guessing it really was him, so this would mark the first canonical appearance of a Force Ghost in the saga I believe. His inclusion also made a lot of sense, since Qui Gon was adamant about the Chosen One prophecy and discovering more about the Force than the Jedi Order would've liked. The chaotic cinematography in the cave with Obi-Wan and Ahsoka before their visions was also really neat.
Anakin controlling the Son and the Daughter in order to save his master and padawan is the best scene in Overlords though. The way day changes to night, the ground lights up, and this visible proof that Anakin truly can control both sides of the Force is stunning. It would've been nice to see Anakin struggle a little more with this task, but given the run time, the episode did a good job.
When Anakin decides not to replace the Father, it makes you wonder if that was the real purpose of the Chosen One, versus how Anakin brought balance to the Force by the end of ROTS. I like how despite getting answers to some questions throughout this episode, we still end with lots of new questions. That was part of the magic of the OT, especially ANH, which is why this arc is so good. A very solid episode. 9/10.
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Post by Star on Dec 20, 2018 0:19:53 GMT -5
The intrigue continues with Altar of Mortis, which gives us a lot to love. I'm not quite sure I like this one more than Overlords, but it does give more action. Right from the opening scene with the Son abducting Ahsoka, we know that things are going to get complicated. The prison scene with her and the manifestation of the Son was unsettling. Something I really enjoy is how the camera angles do such a nice job capturing his transitions from human form to animal forms, either with smooth transitions or showing the perspective raise. It really makes this arc stand out even more from the others and captures this period of immense quality increase for the series. The relationship between the Ones seems a little strange in this episode. By this point, it's evident the Son really wants the Father gone, but the Daughter doesn't seem to think he'll do anything to actually harm him. I understand if the Son suddenly takes action against his Father once the Chosen One arrives, but surely the Daughter wouldn't be so oblivious. I know part of it is probably due to her nature, but this seems a bit much. The relationship between the Son and the Daughter doesn't feel as strong as it should, which makes their duel, while intense, lack much emotional weight. Even though Ahsoka was under the influence of the Son, her fight with Anakin carried more emotional weight for me. The way she said certain things definitely felt a little overdone or inspired by Harley Quinn, but her words had an impact that really worked I think. It gave a tease at what the future would hold, and after seeing them face one another in Rebels, this scene hit hard. All of it leads up to the eventual death of the Daughter. Even though it wasn't too much of a shock, it was executed well I think, especially with the Son's reaction. That scene alone gave me more reason to believe there was a strong connection between them than all the other moments they shared until then. Ahsoka coming back via the final life of the Daughter was also pretty neat. I like the concept of the Dagger of Mortis, but it felt kind of crammed into this episode without enough explanation. While it did prove important here and again in the next episode, I wish it didn't show up like an after-thought. Also, I'm not sure why the Daughter would be so willing to let Obi-Wan possess the dagger to control the Son. Seems like a risky move on her end to trust him, and it led to her death. Anyways, this is still a strong continuation of the story, but it falls a little short of what the previous episode established. 8.5/10 for me.
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Post by Star on Dec 20, 2018 0:48:56 GMT -5
Ghosts of Mortis is a great conclusion to this arc. The only part that really stands out as strange is Ahsoka doing all the repairs and apparently being skilled enough to conduct them without assistance. However, there is more than enough in this episode to make me look past that. First of all, seeing the Father put the Daughter to rest is very heavy, and we really get a sense of his attachment to her. After Anakin visits the Father here, we get another scene with Qui-Gon, which I imagine would confirm that it's really him and not a hoax. Despite many disliking TPM, seeing the two of them interact here is really cool and something I'm glad we got to witness in this show.
While mostly irrelevant, Anakin's descent into the "well of the Dark side" reminded me of descents down the Underworld portals, which is pretty neat. The entire area gives off a Mustafar vibe, which I'm sure was intentional when they made this episode. Once Anakin encounters the Son there, we get to witness Anakin see his own future. This was a very powerful scene and executed so nicely. I enjoy the parallels to Anakin submitting to the Son as he does to Palpatine in ROTS.
Although it seems like a fairly quick turnaround for Anakin, especially since it could all be a trick by the Son, I think it still fits his character. He was born into slavery and poverty on a backwater planet and has wanted nothing but to help others and improve his own life. As he matures under the Jedi, he is driven by emotions, even though this is not how Jedi are trained to be. By this point in his life, he now has a wife he loves and deep bonds with many others, namely Obi-Wan and Ahsoka. By witnessing what he is to become, he is desperate to change this at all costs. The promise of bringing peace and an end of suffering to all is more than enough for him to align with the Son at this point. Rather than being overly analytical of this situation, he follows his heart, since he truly wants to do what he believes will help the galaxy, even if his perception becomes twisted.
Obviously, that can be explained more in-depth or in other ways, but that scene was great and really added to the epicness of this episode. Even seeing Obi-Wan confront Anakin in this place mirrors what will occur in 2 years on Mustafar. All of this leads to the Father eventually taking away Anakin's memory of this, which, while seeming like a potential cop-out, makes sense in context. When the Son visits his sister's grave, we get another look at how he did have a close bond with her and how despite his distaste of the Father, he truly cares about her.
The final sequence at the monastery is a perfect finish to the Mortis trilogy for me. With Anakin back to his normal self, we get to watch the Father do his best to reason with his Son, but to no avail. That moment when the Father takes the dagger from the Son and stabs himself was a nice twist and also revealed the Son did reserve some feelings for the Father. The death of the two of them works very well, especially the Father's final words of telling Anakin to beware of his heart. That statement really resounds with his person. Then we get the apparent destruction of Mortis, which ended in a brilliant explosion of white before taking us back to the ship in space.
It all ties up very nicely, even with many unsolved questions. What could have been a solid standalone turned into a very good three-part arc. I'm glad they stopped it here too, since another episode would have made the story too bloated. Ghosts of Mortis takes the best elements of the previous episodes and then tops it with some more amazing scenes of its own. It adds so much to the overall saga, gives more insight to the characters, tells a unique story, and is so engaging. It deserves a 10/10.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jan 27, 2019 11:11:36 GMT -5
God, this arc was such a freaky trip Seeing it again, I can see how Overlords takes plenty of notes from the deities of earth. In a way you could probably retool it as some extra chapter in the Bible For starters Mortis is like some sci-fi Olympus, or Asgard and I love it for that. Seeing the gang shoot the breeze with their ghosts are up there as some of the show's best scenes and the Family (might as well run with the simplistic naming ) are just so notably odd as well as masters of playing coy. They feel both fitting and unfitting for Star Wars, which I think makes sense, since they're supposed to be a physical metaphor anyway. It's why I can't help but think the whole thing (Mortis, its inhabitants) might be an illusion. I mean, think about it. If Anakin did take the Father's place, balance would be kinda difficult for everywhere else, since a Sith Lord is going to give himself the galaxy in a couple years And then Altar of Mortis comes along and reminds near the end of an infamous Kirk line "What does God want with a starship?" That aside, Altar keeps the ball rolling, being one of the creepiest episodes so far. I love how they even went so far as to give the Son a goat like form just to run those satanic themes even deeper and even make him behave with a slight, yet distinctive immaturity. Like he's just reached puberty and thinks that qualifies to let him call the shots. I just wish the Daughter had a bit more about her though. Guess they also serve as embodiments of the stern, kinda boring Jedi and the maniacal, over the top Sith At least as embodiments of their prequel versions anyway. Quite frankly, Ghosts of Mortis features one of the bleakest conclusions in this show. Not only does Anakin get the, albeit brief, mother of all psychic visions, he pretty much ensures Obi-Wan probably can't ever fully trust him, the Son's fruitless quest takes away what he cared for and then Mortis itself, assumingly, dies. This episode is just once, gigantic reminder that A) the Dark Side, while always there, is the devil's promise and more importantly B) that Anakin's painful road in fulfilling his duty is pretty much set in stone. You can't help but wonder if different actions were taken here, a happier ending could've been found. Dark stuff, but forget all that for one second and just appreciate how good Qui-Gon's cameos were, though I really wish they lingered more. Most of his time was spent talking about Mortis. It would've been nice to also show him talking to Anakin and Obi-Wan on a more personal level.
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 16, 2019 21:32:10 GMT -5
Three episodes wasn't really enough for this but I guess it's fine. Better leave some stuff open to interpretation than answer everything. They could've spent half a season or more on this there is so much to show but that's not what TCW was about
It was weird to me how Father and Daughter kept acting like the Son was turning to the dark side and hadn't already turned. They shouldn't have done that they should've shown him as one with the dark side with no doubt. Anything less doesn't make sense from the balance perspective. Why would they want him to be back to the lightside? Darkness balances out the light
I think Son should've survived. Killing them all = balance works decently. But having the Son alive means dark side wins in the galaxy which is what happened. It was cool at the beginning how they made it seem whatever happened on Mortis would be reflected in the galaxy. Could've went deeper with it.
Anakin's quick turn to me was just the Son corrupting him as he did Ahsoka. But instead of a bite, it was a vision that influenced him. I don't think just seeing the future would make him turn like that. Also I think that could've been real Qui-Gon. He otherwise can't appear as a ghost because his training was incomplete as we learn in the Yoda arc. But I think Mortis could've amplified his ability to project his appearance. But it is odd Anakin and Ahsoka received visions from the Force wielders while Obi-Wan didn't. Maybe they knew Obi was dead set in his ideals and couldn't be changed/manipulated
Obi brushing off Anakin's little dark side moment is probably Obi just being a little stupid at times lol. The Count kept Obi the truth but he kept ignoring him.
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Post by Kenbo on Dec 16, 2019 21:37:43 GMT -5
The balance stuff is so interesting. Everyone seems to have a different interpretation.
The Jedi in their arrogance believed only light was balance. Force wielders believed it was light and dark. It's hard to say when Anakin truly brought balance. It wasn't really 2 Jedi and 2 Sith at the end of ROTS as we have seen many Jedi survivors. But maybe we can assume there are other dark side practitioners as well? Idk. If that's true the massive blow to the light side, which probably had more numbers, could've brought them closer to balance. Or maybe Vader brought balance when he eliminated the Sith by killing Palp. Maybe the Jedi interpretation was the correct one. "Misread, the prophecy could have been" is an interesting line. Obviously the prophecy is hard to translate/understand. So I wonder who was wrong
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 18, 2019 16:52:56 GMT -5
Probably the most important arc in the whole series. Maybe even for the whole mythos.
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