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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 15, 2018 16:41:07 GMT -5
Of all the old episodes for Season 3 would come to build an arc around, Senate Murders is definitely one of them. So how does it all hold up? Does it work as a trilogy? I'd be surprised if anyone has "dared" to find out but that's why we're here now!
November 16th - 22th 2018
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Post by Newan on Nov 15, 2018 19:05:13 GMT -5
You know I did watch one of these a few months ago, the one where Grievous sends the droids to attack the power station.
I still want to finish the Bane arc though, might do that tonight since my class was cancelled due to a snow storm.
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Post by Star on Nov 15, 2018 23:09:03 GMT -5
I remember enjoying these episodes for random reasons. The first gave us new character designs, the second a further look into Coruscant, and the third introduced that weird detective.
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Post by Star on Nov 15, 2018 23:10:31 GMT -5
Also is this actually called the Peace arc or did you create that yourself?
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 16, 2018 0:45:11 GMT -5
Also is this actually called the Peace arc or did you create that yourself? I didn’t know what else to call it but I thought it fit
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Post by Newan on Nov 16, 2018 11:47:07 GMT -5
So final episode of season 2 is here and also the final episode that’s out of order from release.
After this everything is both in order of release and chronological, besides moving the Clovis arc into season 5 for the rewatch
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Post by Star on Nov 16, 2018 15:09:03 GMT -5
This week is pretty much the halfway point for the rewatch, too. That's fitting, given everything onward is where most fans feel the show took a turn for the better.
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Post by Newan on Nov 17, 2018 0:41:05 GMT -5
I do like that we now have threads for each arc, anyways gonna watch the first of these now.
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Post by Newan on Nov 17, 2018 1:18:59 GMT -5
As far as political episodes go, Heroes on Both Sides is decent, we get to see Raxus which is cool. We very rarely get to see separatist controlled worlds that are not just backwater dumps like Felucia or Salecuamei. I really wish we got to see more of the Battle of Cato Nemoidia in TCW. I guess Umbara was more than less a legit CIS world though.
I also feel like this episode is heavily inspired off The Sacking of Coruscant from SWTOR where the Sith Empire made a fake call for peace to lower defenses on Coruscant only to take the planet hostage so they could have favorable terms. The time of this episode release actually is very close to the time SWTOR came out.
Anyways I’m gonna say 7/10.
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Post by Newan on Nov 17, 2018 1:46:27 GMT -5
Pursuit of Peace is less interesting, probably a 5/10 from me... You gotta imagine that for mid age kids episodes like this are extremely boring, it’s just too much like TPM honestly.
I do like the choice of bounty hunters, I wonder if that’s the same selkath hunter from The Box, maybe not but I guess he could have escaped in the Coruscant breakout. I have always disliked Occanda Farr though... and I think it’s weird they put him in the inner circle and not Chuchi who is friends with Anakin and Ahsoka.
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Post by Newan on Nov 17, 2018 1:48:04 GMT -5
Oh and those police droids are so dumb... I much prefer the underworld police models we see later.
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Post by Newan on Nov 17, 2018 2:14:48 GMT -5
Uhh Senate Murders is a pain to watch... this is the 3rd time in the last 6 episodes of the rewatch that designing around previous episodes has proven to be a bad idea. This just doesn’t flow at all with the rest of the arc, the position Padme is in seems so much worse here then it was after Pursuit of Peace and why does this random ass Rodian show up now? I mean I’ll admit I wasn’t sure who was the murderer right away when I first watched it but now it’s so obvious.
Inspector Divo is somewhat of a hilarious character lol, he’s so useless as well. And I have no idea why Satine cameos in this episode, chronologically it makes zero sense but in order of release this takes place right after the first Mandalore arc so there’s a plausible excuse she was still on Coruscant after those events but chronologically like I said it makes no sense.
Anyways I’m gonna day 3/10, another perfect example of why backtracking sucks. Anyways at least we get into the turning point of the show next week.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 20, 2018 19:13:04 GMT -5
“Dooku promised he would stop the vote”
Good thing Lott Dod didn’t have his microphone on lol.
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Post by Star on Nov 20, 2018 23:28:32 GMT -5
With Heroes on Both Sides, we get a pretty refreshing political episode. It still drags a little at times, but overall, the story is interesting. The highlight of the episode is probably seeing the Separatist side of the politics, since we are always told not all of its members are evil. Seeing Dooku as presiding was also neat.
The concept of the droids taking out the power on Coruscant is cool, but it's kind of strange how easy it appeared to be. I also wonder if it took out power in the "Senate district" or the whole planet, since its all technically one big city...
Either way, this is one of the stronger episodes centered around Padme and the politics of Star Wars. I'll give it 7/10.
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Post by Star on Nov 20, 2018 23:31:51 GMT -5
I don't have much to say about Pursuit of Peace. I like that it gave us more time in the actual Senate, but a lot of it feels pretty dumb-downed (but given its a show for all-ages, I get why). The bounty hunters were alright, but they seemed fairly incompetent. Surely they could've hired better ones to take out senators.
As always, seeing more of Coruscant is great, that is probably the most exciting thing about this episode for me. I also really like Palpatine's scene at the very end. Back when this was released, I remember how that was a cool note to end the show on before it took a winter break. For the most part though, this episode is largely boring. 5/10.
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Post by Star on Nov 20, 2018 23:39:31 GMT -5
Senate Murders is strange to watch after seeing these previous two episodes. They give more context, which is nice, but it seems to be disjointed as a result. The only thing that's really enjoyable from this episode is Inspector Divo. Even though he comes across ignorant, he's a fun character.
It's a shame Farr died, he was a cool character introduced on the show. Ziro and him are probably the two biggest deaths we've seen so far on the rewatch, since both were featured in several episodes and involved in larger stories.
As with most of the other political episodes, I don't hate this one, since it gives us more of Coruscant. The concepts are also decent, but the execution comes across poorly. I think part of that is because these stories either make the efforts seem futile, since we know the Republic will fall, or Padme loses and thus seems incompetent. Either way, this one is probably the weakest of the three. I'll go with a 4/10 for it.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 22, 2018 19:55:38 GMT -5
Heroes on Both Sides is a political episode done right IMO. Even though there isn’t excitement until the end, we learn it early on that something is coming and the episode lets the anticipation build throughout. I like how the episode manages to actually discuss important questions. Up to this point, we just kinda accept the Separatists are evil and killing them is always justified. But you have to remember why the war began in the first place, because of the events on Geonosis. Anakin settles it as the CIS believing the Republic is corrupt, which they definitely are. When you get down to it, the Republic has no reason to fight this war. It’s the Jedi, as Barriss later explains. Sure, some of this is dumbed down but I have to commend the show for focusing an entire episode to this. I could go without soy boy Lux but looking back I see why they included him. Surprisingly well done. Much better than previous attempts. 7/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 22, 2018 19:56:03 GMT -5
Pursuit of Peace kinda drops the ball a bit. A lot of it relies on people being dumb or incompetent. If senators had basic security, which real life senators do, this plot couldn’t really happen. That said, I still do like the show’s attempts to address the real life faults of war. And Padme is at her most sympathetic here. I think her speech at the end does work and I really like Palpatine’s contemplation at the end. But an issue is that it doesn’t line up with “Senate Murders.” Padme seems to have clearly turned the tide and Sheev is upset. Yet in that episode, things seem to going poorly. And also, Onoconda is praised as the leader of their efforts even though we don’t actually see him do Potato Rules. If I didn’t know about the production order, I’d be pretty confused. I understand wanting to have Padme be the hero but it really screws things up. Like others have said, Robinino and the other are pretty Potato Rules at this. You think Dooku could have gotten one of the Bounty Hunters from “The Box” and actually killed Padme. I really do like where this episode was trying to go but it’s bogged down by a somewhat dumbed down story, inconsistencies, and a plot that is overrelaint on character incompetence. 4/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 22, 2018 19:56:25 GMT -5
Senate Murders is an episode I actually quite enjoy, and I may be alone in that. I know Divo is quite a hated character, but personally I rather enjoy him. He does feel a bit out of place in The Clone Wars but admittedly that kinda just makes me appreciate him more. He has quite a few funny lines and I like that in the end he was actually right that Farr’s past had come back to get him. And it makes sense that his people would be mad at what he tried to pull in “Bombad Jedi.” But there are still things that bug me. If Deechi knew about Farr having a meeting, I’d be surprised that he didn’t know it was with Lolo. I also kinda wish they set up Lolo earlier and gave her some kind of role in “Hostage Crisis” or even retroactively in the two episodes we just saw. It made it a bit obvious. Also security cameras could have solved all of this. It’s a fun enough episode though it’s annoying how it seems to forget about the Clone bill, though that rests more with the episodes retroactively building it up. I say 5/10.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 22, 2018 15:04:38 GMT -5
Okay, I'll admit it, as political episodes go Heroes on both Sides has got to be one of the more interesting offerings. That said this is also one that really advertises how this show constantly flip-flops in its aim towards children and adults Lots of the locales are excellent (the power generators are simply incredible) and on the whole it ends on a much more dour note than usual. Not only do we learn peace was very possible, we also learn that the Republic really isn't worth protecting when there's a Sith Lord in power and a good chunk of the senate's bent Really lets you further realise how intricately Palpatine had to play this chess game with himself. Also, Anakin has some of the worst political intuition/education ever. The guy's a clueless dolt through and through
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jan 14, 2019 3:01:12 GMT -5
Time to start climbing the mountain...
Whilst I can appreciate its level of maturity, Pursuit of Peace is still feels like it has to dumb things down to make its events actually happen. Spider's right, what the hell is stopping these senators from just, y'know, bumping up security a little? To make matters worse, Senate Murders barely seems to connect to it at all. It doesn't treat the whole vote with nearly as much reverence as the last two episodes did and it's not helped by a fairly easy to work out whodunit. Reminds me why political episodes were never the best.
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