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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 8, 2018 14:05:55 GMT -5
Well time for the Hutts. Who doesn't like the hutts? Especially Ziro. But also Cad Bane. So there's that.
November 9th - 15th 2018
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Post by Newan on Nov 9, 2018 12:56:39 GMT -5
These are some fun episodes, there’s many I still gotta get caught up on here and there, those will probably have to wait awhile longer but I think I’m gonna try and watch most of these ones. I actually remember liking sphere of influence
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Post by Newan on Nov 9, 2018 13:31:30 GMT -5
Watched Sphere of Influence, I’ll give it an 8/10. It has a lot of cameo stuff, the inspector guy, Greedo, Mos Eisley, Rotta, the Nemoidian guards from episode 3. Oh and it had the conference room from the stsrt of the Phantom Menance and the dice Qui-Gon uses to win Anakin. A lot of little stuff that I guess they didn’t have room for in any other episode. In the intro background stuff we also see the planet surface of Pantora that we would have seen a lot more in Dark Disicple arc.
Btw it’s weird that Greedo speaks basic in this but doesn’t in episode 4, although I guess he knows that Han speaks Huttese, like everyone who frequents Tatooine really.
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Post by Newan on Nov 9, 2018 13:37:04 GMT -5
Oh and Embo. That doesn’t mean too much to us now but at the time it’s actually the first time we see Embo again after his debut and I don’t believe we ever see him after this point until The Box.
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Post by Star on Nov 11, 2018 17:24:19 GMT -5
Sphere of Influence isn't that bad honestly. Like Newan said, there's lot of cameos and references to other Star Wars content, and those help make this episode more enjoyable. The story is also a nice change of pace for a political episode.
However, it's a bit odd they make Greedo speak basic or even include him at all. Him being involved doesn't affect the episode differently than a newly created character would have. Baron Papanoida is cool, but it's strange how skilled in combat he was or that he was apparently close to Jabba.
I'll give this one a 7/10.
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Post by Newan on Nov 13, 2018 16:17:23 GMT -5
Ok I kind of have a problem with Evil Plans now... Jabba sent Bane to get the plans for the senate building? Why? Jabba planned all along to hold the senate hostage? Seems kinda far fetched when he didn’t even have the next part of the plan totally figured out.
What should have happened is Jabba should have hired Bane to rescue Ziro and this let Bane make his own plan, meaning the senate takeover should have been all his idea. Jabba asking for plans to the prison or something would have made more sense really...
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Post by Newan on Nov 13, 2018 16:18:28 GMT -5
Anyways Evil Plans is probably a 4/10, I don’t mind this droid episode as much cause I like seeing Coruscant but yeah the overall plot just seems confusing to me... that’s what happens when you try and make episodes around previous ones.
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Post by Star on Nov 13, 2018 23:20:46 GMT -5
I agree, Evil Plans is a very puzzling episode. It wants to be a droid-centric story, and in that aspect, I think it does well. This is the first true episode we see R2 and 3PO together, and it's nostalgic at times to see their interactions. I also love seeing new locations on Coruscant, so that's another plus. I do think 3PO could've been a little less stupid when buying the fruit, but that's not a big deal. If anything, it's weirder that Padme is choosing from only two outfits for the party when in reality she'd have like 10 or more.
Throwing Bane and Jabba into this episode makes the tone stranger, since the results of the events affect Bane and his story more than anyone else. An episode showing us how Bane stole the Senate building plans is also a pretty unnecessary story, so that made the overall plot fairly boring. I'm also not sure what Bane's real plan was to capture 3PO. How did he know to focus on those droids, how did he plan to get them if they weren't alone, and what if someone happened to look for them? There seems to be lots of small issues throughout this episode that stand out more due to Bane's presence making the episode feeling more serious.
I'll give this episode 5/10.
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Post by Star on Nov 13, 2018 23:26:10 GMT -5
On another note, the droid spa was odd, especially since every time I watch it I expect them to turn on R2. It's a neat little addition to the Star Wars universe though. Also, did they reprogram a medical droid to be a chef, or were they that lazy with designs?
I also liked seeing the Hutt Council. In theory, that was pretty cool, even though I don't think it's touched much upon after this episode.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 13, 2018 23:52:29 GMT -5
On another note, the droid spa was odd, especially since every time I watch it I expect them to turn on R2. It's a neat little addition to the Star Wars universe though. Also, did they reprogram a medical droid to be a chef, or were they that lazy with designs? I also liked seeing the Hutt Council. In theory, that was pretty cool, even though I don't think it's touched much upon after this episode. Aren’t those the same guys Darth Maul fucks up later?
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Post by Star on Nov 14, 2018 0:56:24 GMT -5
On another note, the droid spa was odd, especially since every time I watch it I expect them to turn on R2. It's a neat little addition to the Star Wars universe though. Also, did they reprogram a medical droid to be a chef, or were they that lazy with designs? I also liked seeing the Hutt Council. In theory, that was pretty cool, even though I don't think it's touched much upon after this episode. Aren’t those the same guys Darth Maul Potato is Awesomes up later? They appear in Eminence, but other than receive threats from Maul followed by an alliance, they don’t do anything. It would’ve been kind of cool to touch more on what they actually did, since the Hutts are known for their immense influence.
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Post by Newan on Nov 16, 2018 3:10:25 GMT -5
Hostage Crisis was always a good finale, I’d say 8/10, also the last season 1 episode in the rewatch.
This was back when Commando Droids were still a novelty and considered cool I guess, and the IG series droids were kinda overused a lot early on but the bounty hunter group is definitely an odd one especially when chronologically we have seen Embo a few times at this point.
Also it’s just weird now, it’s like this was Banes first real appearance even though this takes place after the Holocron arc, I remember in the next episode Kenobi mentions holding the senate hostage but doesn’t mention the Holocron stuff. Palpatine acts kinda weird too and doesn’t seem to recognize Bane despite hiring him for the Holocron stuff. He should have known Bane would have contingencies and stuff. Also Banes final line about paying up really makes it seem like Ziro hired him...
It’s even weirder now days that no one knows who Bane is early in TCW when he’s been active since before TPM as seen in the recent Maul comics, although it’s cool they showed Aurra with him in those comics.
Again more examples of why working around previous episodes is bad. So glad that habit ended mid season 3.
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Post by Star on Nov 16, 2018 10:58:46 GMT -5
Hostage Crisis is a cool episode, but there are several inconsistencies much more obvious watching it now versus several years ago. While not ruining the episode for me, my enjoyment was hampered a little by them. I like the concept of bounty hunters being able to execute an attack on the Senate building, but it's odd how poorly protected it was and how long it took for Republic forces to respond to the threat.
Anakin seems a little off to me in this episode, but maybe that's because he's more in-line with his Ep II self. Also, it's kind of painful how obvious it appears Anakin and Padme are in a relationship at times, and that's not just contained to this episode. It was strange how the IG unit didn't press to search the room where Anakin pulled the mind trick, since I didn't figure droids were affected by them.
This episode remains an awesome introduction to Cad Bane (and bounty hunters in general), but the later seasons managed to outdo some of the coolest scenes here I think. It's tough to rate this episode, since I really enjoy the concept, but there's various plot holes or inconsistencies that make it unbelievable at times. I'll go with 7/10.
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Post by Newan on Nov 16, 2018 11:44:25 GMT -5
Yeah gonna change my rating for Hostsge Crisis to a 7/10.
Hunt for Ziro is probably a 8/10 mainly cause of Quinlan Vos, I really like his character and it’s a shame we didn’t get to see more of him. Although we would have in Dark Disciple arc. Also seeing Vos and Anakin together would have been really fun....
I mean not too much to say overall, it’s just a decent side adventure. The fight at the end was always one of the biggest highlights from the overall lackluster first half of season 3.
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Post by Star on Nov 16, 2018 15:05:42 GMT -5
The Ziro arc is kind of all over the place, but I think Hunt for Ziro is the strongest. It gives us three plot lines to follow: Obi-Wan and Vos, Ziro and Snootles, and Bane. While we don't get much time with all the characters, especially the Jedi, it still works pretty well. This episode showed that Ziro is still fairly competent, and the twist with Snootles always was pretty unexpected for me. I like how her betrayal demonstrated the cunning nature of Jabba though, and it's interesting to think he now has all that information over the rest of the Hutts.
Bane's fight with Obi-Wan and Vos might be my favorite part of this episode, while Mama the Hutt's inclusion was a little peculiar... Bane does well in that fight to level the playing field, and it really displayed how resourceful he is. Honestly this is a pretty fun conclusion to the arc. 8/10 for me.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 17, 2018 16:36:59 GMT -5
Sphere of Influence is pretty simple but pretty good. Like Newan and Star said, this contains a lot of Star Wars easter eggs which are a lot of fun. This and some pretty good characters, suspense, and action elevate it over the usual political fare we see. We see Ahsoka at her most confident here, and unlike in some of her other solo missions, that confidence isn't at all misplaced. She doesn't screw up (Lightsaber Lost), embarrass herself(Assassin), or get captured(The Academy) so that's nice. One discrepancy I noticed was Ahsoka mentioning she had never done a Jedi mind trick before. This is a little odd considering she just did it on Mandalore, which kind of makes me doubt the "chronological" order of Season 3 was really all that planned out. I can reconcile it since it didn't work against Almec's guards and maybe she wouldn't want to bring that up. I like the Papanoida character a lot and Corey Burton does a good job with him although I kinda wish Lucas could've voiced him. And also, as others have said, it's weird that Greedo speaks English here although I guess they wouldn't have much choice since TCW hates subtitles. 7/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 20, 2018 1:29:15 GMT -5
I’ll go ahead and say Padme facepalm is the best part of Evil Plans.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 20, 2018 1:31:16 GMT -5
This episode doesn’t make any fucking sense. How did Bane know 3PO was going to there? Did he know about the Jogun fruit? Did he steal it himself? Has he been waiting here all day everyday since Season 2 for 3PO to walk by?
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 20, 2018 1:38:56 GMT -5
I really don’t want to know what they did to R2 in there.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 20, 2018 1:40:44 GMT -5
Nvm that droid shouting murderer is the best part.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 20, 2018 1:50:35 GMT -5
3/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 20, 2018 13:09:39 GMT -5
I’ll say that the three episodes actually blend together really well, which is a bit surprising. Really the only misstep is Todo randomly disappearing and reappearing. There’s no noticeable dip in animation quality or anything since Hostage Crisis looks pretty good.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 20, 2018 17:50:45 GMT -5
Okay that was fun if not entirely fair. Evil Plans is not unwatchable, no TCW episode except maybe ASDITV. But it is painful in just doing the bare minimum. It's frustrating how the show never figured out how to use R2-D2 and C-3PO. Neither is inherently a bad character, but the show would constantly spend too much time on them. Neither one of them should be the star of an episode IMO, much less an entire arc but we'll get to that later. You need them (especially when they're together) in small doses. They can do plenty to brighten up an episode like they do in "Destroy Malevolence," "Senate Spy," and even "The Citadel." But they should not be the main attraction. This episode is probably the worst example of this. In short, this episode does not need to exist. The contrived reason behind it is very weak. We already saw "Hostage Crisis" and nobody was left wondering how Bane knew the layout of the Senate Building. Enough people have been in there who probably wouldn't hesitate to sell it to the Hutts. The White House layout is public so why not the Senate Building? Even though it passes itself off as a prequel, this episode is just lame filler, well below average. I'm standing by my rating.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 20, 2018 17:55:02 GMT -5
Hostage Crisis works just as well as I remember. Instead of the action we're used to, we get suspense here and it's pulled off nicely. Bane is extremely ruthless here, and without really getting his hands dirty, is able to establish himself as far more intimidating than Boba Fett ever was. It's a bit strange seeing this in chronological since it's a much better intro to Bane than "Holocron Heist" imo. I also like how for once, Palpatine does not seem to be in control. I always find it funny that Ziro and Bane are both voiced by Cory Burton. Also finally the return of Commander Fox! Yay? 7.5/10: Holds up.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 20, 2018 18:00:59 GMT -5
Hunt for Ziro is probably the strangest episode but that's to be expected since it has the most focus on Hutts. But all in all, I think it works pretty well, and does a good job following up both "Evil Plans" and "Hostage Crisis" depending on what order you watch these. Quinlan Vos and Bane are clearly the standouts here, as is the fight at the end. All of these do well to elevate the episode. I have to admit I was surprised by how easily the show killed off Ziro. I guess I wouldn't expect them to use him in more episodes, but it was still shocking how everything turned on him so fast. But I liked how they killed him and had it be on Teth. I like how this arc kinda makes things come full circle since the movie, kinda showing the first "act" of the show coming to an end. This is also the first of a few long-running characters that were killed off in these arcs and I appreciate the showing doing that. I'll give this another 7.5/10.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 11, 2018 11:09:25 GMT -5
Sphere of Influence is oddly better than I thought It's pretty fun seeing ol' George as blue, gun toting planetary leader in a bizarre, WTF kinda way. However, while I sort of wish he actually voiced him, I'm not quite sure his acting chops would be up to the task... Still, it's a fun, tense little number with more easter eggs than I remember. On the weird Greedo language thing though, I think I recall reading there were two of them. One that Anakin beats up in a deleted scene from TPM and the one we see in ANH which may explain the odd detail.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 18, 2018 7:40:50 GMT -5
Yeah, Evil Plans really feels like they were scraping the bottom of the barrel for plot ideas. For what it's trying to convey it's too long, the tone's all over the place, that droid spa scene is an idea I don't even think sounds good on paper and the fact that, as Spider rightfully said, 3PO and R2 work best in small, potent doses rather than a full episode only works in brining this one down. That said, I too loved the "Murderer!" droid and the rabbit droids are kinda cute in how polite and enthusiastic they are.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 18, 2018 8:10:19 GMT -5
Hostage Crisis is still a keeper. Bane is as fierce and efficient as any later appearance. His threat level's way more consistently maintained than almost any other villain on the show. Some of the details though probably make this one of the easiest episodes to "CinemaSin", especially with how crap Padme and Anakin are at the whole "just good friends!" façade. Regardless I really quite like it. It's high stakes, tensed up storytelling that TCW has a distinct knack for. Is it me though or is all that mentioning of "this weapon Is your life" stuff getting a bit tired out now?
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Dec 18, 2018 8:46:28 GMT -5
Hm, Hunt for Ziro was always a difficult one. On the one hand you get a great buddy cop plot with Obi-Wan and Quinlan, but on the downside you also get some of the most disgusting and unsettling scenes in the show's history. That said, Ziro's remark about his mother not knowing her husband was dead was surprisingly funny and depressingly true with the last part - "Some people are happier being miserable" Really though I almost find it criminal that the show gives us only a flicker of Vos, despite how much of a great first impression he makes as the hippie/Tarzan type Jedi we all enjoy. Hell, he barely gets any word in, yet he's winds up a highlight. Makes me wish all the more they expanded on why Vos said Bane "Owed him one". Certainly would've made a more entertaining ride than Evil Plans
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Post by Newan on Dec 18, 2018 14:30:48 GMT -5
Hm, Hunt for Ziro was always a difficult one. On the one hand you get a great buddy cop plot with Obi-Wan and Quinlan, but on the downside you also get some of the most disgusting and unsettling scenes in the show's history. That said, Ziro's remark about his mother not knowing her husband was dead was surprisingly funny and depressingly true with the last part - "Some people are happier being miserable" Really though I almost find it criminal that the show gives us only a flicker of Vos, despite how much of a great first impression he makes as the hippie/Tarzan type Jedi we all enjoy. Hell, he barely gets any word in, yet he's winds up a highlight. Makes me wish all the more they expanded on why Vos said Bane "Owed him one". Certainly would've made a more entertaining ride than Evil Plans Vos was going to be in season 7/8 though
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