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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 28, 2018 14:32:48 GMT -5
Two late-season episodes that are randomly thrown in here. And Part 1 of Geonosis kinda.
September 28th - October 4th 2018
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Post by Star on Sept 28, 2018 15:47:10 GMT -5
This marks two months into the rewatch. Feels like we're flying through it.
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Post by Newan on Sept 28, 2018 17:12:42 GMT -5
I watched Zilo Beast last night in preparation but it’s a decent episode. It might be the only time we see The Republic on the defensive really, usually they are trying to counter or liberate places. But the whole giant beast concept is really cool and it’s obvious there’s a lot of King Kong and Godzilla inspiration.
Although anybody notice they use Anakin and Mace a lot together at the end of season 2? Kinda weird tbh, but they don’t exactly seem to do the movies justice. They don’t seem to particularly distrust each other in these episodes. Anakin is a bit annoyed with Windus hard ass Jedi code and Windu doesn’t like some of Anakins reckless nature but still, it’s not that much divide.
Anyways I’d say 8/10 I remember watching this episode and the next weeks in advance due to a huge leak I guess.
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Post by Newan on Sept 28, 2018 17:43:50 GMT -5
Zilo Beast Strikes Back is a fun episode, I like Coruscant episodes when they aren’t full on senate politics. Like this one for example or the other underworld episodes like Ahsoka and PLO-Koon in that bar...
Again I’d say 8/10, too bad there was never any follow up on the Beast and I don’t think any was really planned by the sounds of what we were getting in seasons 7 and 8. I guess it was just to keep interest and options open
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Post by Newan on Sept 28, 2018 18:11:49 GMT -5
Kind of a dark background for this week but I really like how it looks at the bottom of the pages.
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 12:04:08 GMT -5
Ah here we go. The Zillo Beast is a pretty good episode and I like how every problem leads to another as Windu says. If it weren't for the title of the episode, it would be hard to see where the episode is going. the bomb at the episode's beginning is a pretty cool thing and I like how it's basically the opposite of the Defoliator. The dilemma in the episode is cool, even if Mace can feel a but frustrating. He seems to kinda follow the code when he wants to and it kinda just feels like grandstanding. Everyone else thought the beast was too dangerous to kept alive but he just says that's not the Jedi way. Okay man. This is a fine episode. Obviously it's kinda just setting up what would come next but its still pretty dang cool. 7/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 12:12:38 GMT -5
The Zillo Beast Strikes Back is fucking great. The arc originally seemed to involve only a few characters but then expanded to bring in lots of others (Obi-Wan, Padme, 3PO) and I like when arcs do that. I also like how Mace works behind the scenes to try and save the beast. Kinda backs up all his shit from the last episode even if it's unsuccessful. Anyway, this episode is awesome. It's the first time chronologically we see the real city of Coruscant (we'll see them in Lightsaber Lost and Duchess of Mandalore) and it looks terrific. The shot where we see a woman's face as she falls to her death is fucking horrifying. I like how intelligent they made the beast and how he legit just wants to kill Palpatine. It's cool. How they end up killing it also really well done and seeing it slide off the senate building is a haunting image. One of the best so far. 8/10
Okay but isn't it weird that the same doctor is the one overseeing the Beast? She has to be like a physicist, right? She designed that bomb. So now she's a biologist? What?
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Post by Star on Sept 29, 2018 12:13:32 GMT -5
The Zillo Beast arc is a lot of fun, and I really like its homage to films like King Kong and Godzilla. The Battle of Malestare is very cool and the whole idea with the bomb is very cool. It's interesting how they had the Chancellor so involved with it, but it's nice they brought in an actual doctor for the job as well versus leaving it up to a Jedi or clone officer.
I really like the animation when they are in the bottom of the pit with the Zillo Beast. Everything about it is so cool, just like the scenes when the Zillo Beast is rampaging through Coruscant. The wide array of characters in the second episode makes it even more fun. I also enjoy that we get to see part of Palpatine's darker political side. The episode does a good job making the viewer care for the beast while also recognizing that it is deadly.
The second episode is obviously better, but they both work well together. Anakin and Mace could've had their relationship fleshed out a little more, but what was included works.
The Zillo Beast: 8/10
The Zillo Beast Strikes Back: 8.5/10
Zillo Beast arc: 8.25/10
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Post by Star on Sept 29, 2018 12:16:59 GMT -5
It would've been really cool to see them follow-up this arc. I know in one of the Behind the Scenes features on the DVD for this, one of the advisers said they would in S7. But like Newan said, there's no evident plans for it, so they probably realized they had other stories they'd rather do. Not a big deal, and honestly not every plot needs to be continued.
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 12:19:46 GMT -5
So Senate Spy. I'm not really sure how to feel about it. Obviously there's no action but the story is pretty decent. It's a total break from all the chaos from before and it's a bit of a breather before "Landing at Point Rain" so I get why they did it like this. I think I can appreciate it more as I pick up some of the subtleties and can kinda relate with Anakin. There's definitely some clever and funny moments throughout here. And 3PO just doesn't even know why he's here. And okay, I'm sure time has passed but it's still a bit weird that Anakin is so relieved to be back on Coruscant considering he was just here in the previous episode and even was with Padme. Like I don't know, maybe if they stuck this right after Ryloth it would make more sense. I don't know. This episode isn't my favorite and probably isn't yours either. But it's still fine and even introduces the Second Battle of Geonosis. Plus Lott Dod's here and he's always fun. 6/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 12:24:06 GMT -5
Although anybody notice they use Anakin and Mace a lot together at the end of season 2? Kinda weird tbh, but they don’t exactly seem to do the movies justice. They don’t seem to particularly distrust each other in these episodes. Anakin is a bit annoyed with Windus hard ass Jedi code and Windu doesn’t like some of Anakins reckless nature but still, it’s not that much divide. Yeah, this kinda bugged me as well. With this and the Boba Fett arc, it seemed like they had some camaraderie and understanding, even that Mace would have some trust and respect for Anakin, which is a little weird considering where they are in ROTS. I kinda chalk it up to how things go in Seasons 4 and 5. They aren't seen together that much except for Crisis on Naboo. And after that episode and the Ahsoka arc, it makes sense that Anakin would have a lot of contempt for Windu and it probably went the other way too. |
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Post by Newan on Sept 29, 2018 13:23:50 GMT -5
Although anybody notice they use Anakin and Mace a lot together at the end of season 2? Kinda weird tbh, but they don’t exactly seem to do the movies justice. They don’t seem to particularly distrust each other in these episodes. Anakin is a bit annoyed with Windus hard ass Jedi code and Windu doesn’t like some of Anakins reckless nature but still, it’s not that much divide. Yeah, this kinda bugged me as well. With this and the Boba Fett arc, it seemed like they had some camaraderie and understanding, even that Mace would have some trust and respect for Anakin, which is a little weird considering where they are in ROTS. I kinda chalk it up to how things go in Seasons 4 and 5. They aren't seen together that much except for Crisis on Naboo. And after that episode and the Ahsoka arc, it makes sense that Anakin would have a lot of contempt for Windu and it probably went the other way too. I guess that would make more sense but I believe they work together again in the Bad Batch arc and things seemed fine there |
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Post by Star on Sept 29, 2018 18:33:05 GMT -5
Senate Spy isn't terrible, but it's not that entertaining either. The general plot is fine, and I appreciate how they characterize Anakin and Padme. However, since this episode plays so closely to how they are in the movies, particularly AOTC, it does make them more annoying than usual. Clovis is a good addition to the show and Padme's history, I think he works well in that aspect as well as a representative for the Banking Clan.
They were so close to not making Padme need to be rescued in this episode. 3PO was a good addition to the story here, and I liked how this builds up to the Second Battle of Geonosis. Things happen a little too easily in this episode though, such as how Lott Dod figures out Padme was a spy, as well as how Padme got the password for the Geonosis factory. Also, Anakin was a pretty big jerk at the end for leaving Clovis. Like couldn't he have taken him and kept him restrained until they got to Coruscant? Even though Anakin's jealous of him, Clovis did help save his wife.
Definitely not as bad as certain S1 episodes, but this is clearly one of the weakest in S2. I would give it 5.5/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 20:01:50 GMT -5
Also it took the whole of 30 seconds for Padme to be invited to Cato Nemodia.  |
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Post by Newan on Sept 29, 2018 21:25:03 GMT -5
Senate Spy is decent, although kinda weird. It’s like the only time time we have an entire episode for the background of an arc/ battle. Although I don’t really remember how Clovis gets out of trouble with th separatists st the end of this episode.
Anyways Cato Nemoidia is kinda cool, honestly I don’t know what triggers a full scale battle there near the end of the war. The trade federation must get completely kicked out of the senate at some point but we never hear anything about that. Also I liked that little Easter egg with R2 offering Anakin the food that is quite similar to what Luke has in ESB when he’s on Dagobah.
Also I don’t know why Anakin hides his relationship with Padme so much... I mean he doesn’t have to go as far as saying he’s married but he can just say he’s friends and that him and Padme have been close. It’s no different then Satine really and I’m sure a lot of the council knows that about Kenobi given she shows up at his apparent funeral in season 4
I’d say 7/10
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Post by Star on Oct 2, 2018 14:49:33 GMT -5
It would've been neat for San Hill to appear in the show, given that there were several episodes involving the Banking Clan.
I also think that if TCW included an episode involving all the members of the Separatist Council, it could've been interesting. Maybe something near the end of the show that depicts them all realizing how the Separatist movement is beginning to collapse as well as getting some of the group's members out of prison.
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Post by Newan on Oct 2, 2018 15:04:57 GMT -5
It would've been neat for San Hill to appear in the show, given that there were several episodes involving the Banking Clan. I also think that if TCW included an episode involving all the members of the Separatist Council, it could've been interesting. Maybe something near the end of the show that depicts them all realizing how the Separatist movement is beginning to collapse as well as getting some of the group's members out of prison. Doesn’t he appear in the background of the Clovis arc? |
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Post by Kenbo on Oct 2, 2018 16:17:48 GMT -5
It would've been neat for San Hill to appear in the show, given that there were several episodes involving the Banking Clan. I also think that if TCW included an episode involving all the members of the Separatist Council, it could've been interesting. Maybe something near the end of the show that depicts them all realizing how the Separatist movement is beginning to collapse as well as getting some of the group's members out of prison. Yeah like all the people from the Geonosis meeting in AOTC would've been neat |
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Post by Star on Oct 2, 2018 17:26:49 GMT -5
It would've been neat for San Hill to appear in the show, given that there were several episodes involving the Banking Clan. I also think that if TCW included an episode involving all the members of the Separatist Council, it could've been interesting. Maybe something near the end of the show that depicts them all realizing how the Separatist movement is beginning to collapse as well as getting some of the group's members out of prison. Doesn’t he appear in the background of the Clovis arc? No, San Hill doesn't appear, but I think some other Muuns did. |
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Post by Star on Oct 2, 2018 17:29:26 GMT -5
It would've been neat for San Hill to appear in the show, given that there were several episodes involving the Banking Clan. I also think that if TCW included an episode involving all the members of the Separatist Council, it could've been interesting. Maybe something near the end of the show that depicts them all realizing how the Separatist movement is beginning to collapse as well as getting some of the group's members out of prison. Yeah like all the people from the Geonosis meeting in AOTC would've been neat Given how well TCW fleshed out various aspects of the films, I think more insight on the Separatist Council could have also made its motives more interesting. Heroes on Both Sides kind of did this, but that wasn't really from the perspective of those seeking war mainly for power and wealth. |
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Post by Kenbo on Oct 5, 2018 19:29:37 GMT -5
The Zillo Beast is fun. While they took inspiration from Godzilla, it is still a unique thing to see in Star Wars. It was also nice how there was still war related stuff going on in the episode. The scene with Anakin running on the beast was pretty cool.
I don't understand why they kept putting Mace and Anakin together though. Definitely doesn't line up with how Mace doesn't trust him in the movies. Also I didn't realize we already got ARC-170s I thought they first came in season 3
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Post by Kenbo on Oct 5, 2018 19:58:57 GMT -5
Second part is great too. Always love seeing Coruscant but this time I think they had some interesting cinematic shots. Really need an open world game on Coruscant tbh...
But holy shit I didn't realize Anakin says "here's where the fun begins" lmao. And I thought Aayla didn't speak but she had a couple short lines. I don't know what they had planned for the Zilo beast but honestly it's not a huge loss that they didn't get to it. Seeing it again is not something I feel I needed
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Post by Kenbo on Oct 6, 2018 16:39:58 GMT -5
Senate Spy is better than I remember. Anakin and Padme are really cute in the beginning....... And you know they smashed lol....... Anyways It has a good plot that I could see in a live action show. And I liked that they actually showed this background stuff before the main battle
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Oct 9, 2018 11:05:23 GMT -5
The Zillo episodes were always solid. Such is the case when you combine Godzilla with Star Wars Part 1's cool for all the scale involved (though the battle relies more on numbers than anything tactically interesting) and Windu being, let's face it, a bare faced hypocrite are pretty entertaining even without the Zillo. It's funny how he resolutely tries to save the beast, but will kill ol' Palps without hesitation. Sure, Zillo didn't do as much damage and isn't malevolent by nature, but still Part 2 is definitely better than the last. Much as I liked Malastare being a change of scenery, going full on "monster in the city" just feels right. I think this is the closest we ever see Palpatine being genuinely scared. Maybe it compelled him to have second thoughts on that whole cloning malarkey, since we see no signs of that ever happening. Like Spider said, it's pretty cool how the cast expands with the progression, but what really impressed me was the score. The past few episodes haven't had much to write home about, but here it's on another level. |
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