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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 13, 2018 16:04:27 GMT -5
Last arc of Season 1! This arc made up the biggest battle we had seen at the time. How does it compare now? Let's see.
Septmeber 14th - 20th 2018
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Post by Kenbo on Sept 13, 2018 16:07:08 GMT -5
Already on Ryloth?
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Post by Newan on Sept 13, 2018 16:30:37 GMT -5
Already on Ryloth? Good, the episodes before this point are pretty bad. But hostage crisis won’t be for quite awhile, so we going into season 2 next week
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 14, 2018 0:42:50 GMT -5
Should catch up tomorrow.
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Post by Newan on Sept 17, 2018 16:47:50 GMT -5
Innocents of Ryloth is a good episode, one of the few space centric episodes in the show. But seriously the V19 Torents are such useless ships... should have just stuck to the Z class headhunters instead. Also do we ever see Ahsoka’s Droid again? Seems kind of weird they gave her one when she could have just used R2. Maybe the Droid is present at Cato Nemoidia that’s the only other time I can remember Ahsoka flying. I guess there was also that time they parked st the diner in “Brothers”.
I liked that Dave Filoni took a lot of inspiration from the Thrawn trilogy in this episode though, was pretty cool to see,
Anyways I’d give this a 8.5/10
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Post by Star on Sept 18, 2018 14:01:52 GMT -5
This is the first time we really get to see Ahsoka fail at a task, which kick starts some good character development for her. Anakin's relationship with her is also fleshed out more, and I like that, since it makes me like both of them more. The animation in this episode was also really nice.
I liked that the Separatists were actually a formidable opponent in this episode, and Mar Tuuk was a good villain. Since space battles aren't very common throughout the show, that's another reason I really enjoyed this episode. Definitely one of my favorites of S1.
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Post by Newan on Sept 18, 2018 18:39:51 GMT -5
Innocents of Ryloth is another good episode, it’s a cool mix between a battle and a side adventure. It’s also like the only time we see a fight within a town like this and see civilians. Only other time I can think of is in the Slave arc on the Togruta planet. I guess there’s Onderon but that’s a different kind of combat.
Anyways I’d say this is an 8/10. I do like they used different Jedi in each episode for this arc... well I’ll watch Liberty on Ryloth soon, I remember it being a somewhat disappointing end to the arc although I guess it does feel more complete with the release of Supply Lines in season 3 since it makes Cham and established character rather then some random
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Post by Kenbo on Sept 18, 2018 21:09:42 GMT -5
Storm Over Ryloth is really good though maybe slightly forgettable. Like Star I thought Anakin and Ahsoka's relationship was good here. It's weird how TCW managed to make us like and care about newly invented characters while no new Disney characters are likeable at all. They are like fan fiction characters trying to hold a candle to legends. Except I guess Rogue One/Solo characters were cool... Not sure what makes them different... But that's a little off topic Back to the episode, yeah I think space battles are fun. Always like the pilot jargon and how they count off and whatnot. Newan I don't think Z-95s were in production at this point but they do replace the V-19's later on. I think the V-19s are more nostalgic though. Ahsoka maybe didn't use R2 because he was busy doing stuff with Anakin. But they likely have tons of astromechs around so they just gave her one. Also what is inspired from the Thrawn trilogy?
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Post by Kenbo on Sept 18, 2018 21:40:14 GMT -5
Innocents of Ryloth is absolutely fantastic... Quite a few live action shows that could not produce an episode as good as this. The ending was just perfect with Obi-Wan saying "Nerra" means brother.
The tone here is really good. Serious mixed with a little bit of actually funny dry humor. This is the tone for Star Wars I would say. Subtle stuff like Obi-Wan covering numa's eyes is good. Finn walking around in his medical gear while spewing water is not good. The droid saying his terrible job went into overtime is funny. General Hugs is not funny. Take notes Disney........
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Post by Kenbo on Sept 18, 2018 21:43:28 GMT -5
This is not what I'd really imagine Ryloth to look like though. I'm going to assume there are some posh/wealthy areas which Orn Free Taa is likely from and where they have the dancers and Twi'leks that can speak basic. However we see the "capital" in the next episode and that doesn't look much better... So I'll consider that to be the capital of this sort of backwater area and not the whole planet.
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Post by Star on Sept 18, 2018 22:53:19 GMT -5
Innocents of Ryloth is a strong follow-up to the last episode. It's refreshing to see Obi-Wan without always having Anakin by his side. I think this episode does a perfect balance of telling the main conflict while also showing an intriguing side story that captures some of the civilian effects of the galactic conflict. There was also a very good mix of humor, which added to the classic Star Wars feel.
Like with Rookies and Ambush, this episode does a very good job of showing how not all clones are truly identical. Even the tactical droid and all the B1 units seem menacing, whether it was when the Republic had to take the wall or handle whatever else was thrown at them. The opening scene with the gunships and cruisers facing heavy fire from the droid canons also added to the intensity of the conflict. It was nice to see Cody get some more screen time too, since he tends to be overshadowed by Rex.
The Ryloth arc (including Supply Lines) does an excellent job at portraying the war I think. There are various aspects of the mission shown and with a diverse group of characters, showing that these tasks took a lot of time and teamwork. Throughout these episodes we get a true sense of what the war was like on the front lines from multiple perspectives and with a look at it from those affected by it.
I also find it interesting that Obi-Wan could speak their language, and it makes me wonder what kind of education he and other Jedi have (unless it's by chance Obi-Wan knew their native speech). Like is his only education based out of Stewjon, or do the Jedi have an education system as well that's required? Some form of the latter would make sense to me.
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Post by Newan on Sept 19, 2018 1:18:03 GMT -5
Storm Over Ryloth is really good though maybe slightly forgettable. Like Star I thought Anakin and Ahsoka's relationship was good here. It's weird how TCW managed to make us like and care about newly invented characters while no new Disney characters are likeable at all. They are like fan fiction characters trying to hold a candle to legends. Except I guess Rogue One/Solo characters were cool... Not sure what makes them different... But that's a little off topic Back to the episode, yeah I think space battles are fun. Always like the pilot jargon and how they count off and whatnot. Newan I don't think Z-95s were in production at this point but they do replace the V-19's later on. I think the V-19s are more nostalgic though. Ahsoka maybe didn't use R2 because he was busy doing stuff with Anakin. But they likely have tons of astromechs around so they just gave her one. Also what is inspired from the Thrawn trilogy? The maneuver with the Venator and the bombers is taken right from Thrawn in the post ROTJ trilogy. As DF is obviously a big fan of Thrawn I’d probably guess he had lots to do with that. And I don’t believe that there wasn’t some sort of X-Wing/ Z-95 st this time, that kind of model is ancient... there’s similar ships all the way back in the Old Republic
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Post by Newan on Sept 19, 2018 1:21:47 GMT -5
Innocents of Ryloth is a strong follow-up to the last episode. It's refreshing to see Obi-Wan without always having Anakin by his side. I think this episode does a perfect balance of telling the main conflict while also showing an intriguing side story that captures some of the civilian effects of the galactic conflict. There was also a very good mix of humor, which added to the classic Star Wars feel. Like with Rookies and Ambush, this episode does a very good job of showing how not all clones are truly identical. Even the tactical droid and all the B1 units seem menacing, whether it was when the Republic had to take the wall or handle whatever else was thrown at them. The opening scene with the gunships and cruisers facing heavy fire from the droid canons also added to the intensity of the conflict. It was nice to see Cody get some more screen time too, since he tends to be overshadowed by Rex. The Ryloth arc (including Supply Lines) does an excellent job at portraying the war I think. There are various aspects of the mission shown and with a diverse group of characters, showing that these tasks took a lot of time and teamwork. Throughout these episodes we get a true sense of what the war was like on the front lines from multiple perspectives and with a look at it from those affected by it. I also find it interesting that Obi-Wan could speak their language, and it makes me wonder what kind of education he and other Jedi have (unless it's by chance Obi-Wan knew their native speech). Like is his only education based out of Stewjon, or do the Jedi have an education system as well that's required? Some form of the latter would make sense to me. Force sensitives can understand many languages, while never directly stated in the movies it’s fairly evident with Kenobi in the cantina with Chewie, or Luke with Bib Fortuna in ROTJ. Anakin talking to the Bith in Friends and Enemies, Anakin talking to Embo, etc... not sure why they had trouble with the Talz, I think it was more of a plot device if anything but maybe cause they were more primitive, similar with Luke and the Ewoks I guess.
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Post by Star on Sept 19, 2018 9:31:49 GMT -5
Innocents of Ryloth is a strong follow-up to the last episode. It's refreshing to see Obi-Wan without always having Anakin by his side. I think this episode does a perfect balance of telling the main conflict while also showing an intriguing side story that captures some of the civilian effects of the galactic conflict. There was also a very good mix of humor, which added to the classic Star Wars feel. Like with Rookies and Ambush, this episode does a very good job of showing how not all clones are truly identical. Even the tactical droid and all the B1 units seem menacing, whether it was when the Republic had to take the wall or handle whatever else was thrown at them. The opening scene with the gunships and cruisers facing heavy fire from the droid canons also added to the intensity of the conflict. It was nice to see Cody get some more screen time too, since he tends to be overshadowed by Rex. The Ryloth arc (including Supply Lines) does an excellent job at portraying the war I think. There are various aspects of the mission shown and with a diverse group of characters, showing that these tasks took a lot of time and teamwork. Throughout these episodes we get a true sense of what the war was like on the front lines from multiple perspectives and with a look at it from those affected by it. I also find it interesting that Obi-Wan could speak their language, and it makes me wonder what kind of education he and other Jedi have (unless it's by chance Obi-Wan knew their native speech). Like is his only education based out of Stewjon, or do the Jedi have an education system as well that's required? Some form of the latter would make sense to me. Force sensitives can understand many languages, while never directly stated in the movies it’s fairly evident with Kenobi in the cantina with Chewie, or Luke with Bib Fortuna in ROTJ. Anakin talking to the Bith in Friends and Enemies, Anakin talking to Embo, etc... not sure why they had trouble with the Talz, I think it was more of a plot device if anything but maybe cause they were more primitive, similar with Luke and the Ewoks I guess. I think it's nice they make Force sensitives possess this ability, but I wonder if it's something they automatically know from a young age or have to still learn, albeit more easily than non-Force sensitives. As for the Talz and Ewoks, it's probably a plot device, but it can be explained in a way that makes sense like you did.
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Post by Kenbo on Sept 19, 2018 9:36:36 GMT -5
I think this is the first time we see basic infantry clones with painted armor
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Post by Star on Sept 19, 2018 9:40:35 GMT -5
I like how the droid fighter crashing into the bridge with Anakin and Yularen emulates the similar scene from ROTJ. Anakin/Vader was even in charge of both ships this occurred to. It's strange how the Executor didn't survive this attack though while the Resolute did, but then again, that was probably due to time, budget, and special effects restraints.
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Post by Newan on Sept 19, 2018 11:59:17 GMT -5
Finished the arc... is Mace Windu the original General Krell? Like wtf is he trying to maximize casualties by marching his men through that canyon. I find it interesting that Windu takes part in battlefield command though, I figured he would be one of the Jedi that is disinterested in the war and would have preferred staying on Coruscant in more of a high command position like Yoda and the Chancellor. Or doing more trivial tasks like when he protects Palpatine at the festival on Naboo.
I always wondered if Yoda has his own clone regiment. I originally figured Commander Gree was but that’s Luminaras Commander a nd the reason he was there when Yoda killed him on Kashyyyk is because Luminara was also there.
Anyways I would give this episode an 8/10.
Storm over Ryloth 8.5 Innocents of Ryloth 8 Liberty on Ryloth 8
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Post by Newan on Sept 19, 2018 12:00:37 GMT -5
Looking forward to the Holocron arc and Bounty Hunters next week... I think next week is the first week on the schedule that I would consider to be the first very strong week for episodes so far. Season 1 is generally kinda dull and every week so far has had one or more meh episodes.
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Post by Star on Sept 19, 2018 13:34:24 GMT -5
Looking forward to the Holocron arc and Bounty Hunters next week... I think next week is the first week on the schedule that I would consider to be the first very strong week for episodes so far. Season 1 is generally kinda dull and every week so far has had one or more meh episodes. Do you still stand by liking Cat and Mouse more than Storm Over Ryloth? I think S1 has good episodes, but you're right in the sense that there's a lot of inconsistency in quality. Only a handful of S1 episodes are really high quality for me personally, but there's a lot that are fun stories nonetheless.
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Post by Newan on Sept 19, 2018 14:57:18 GMT -5
Looking forward to the Holocron arc and Bounty Hunters next week... I think next week is the first week on the schedule that I would consider to be the first very strong week for episodes so far. Season 1 is generally kinda dull and every week so far has had one or more meh episodes. Do you still stand by liking Cat and Mouse more than Storm Over Ryloth? I think S1 has good episodes, but you're right in the sense that there's a lot of inconsistency in quality. Only a handful of S1 episodes are really high quality for me personally, but there's a lot that are fun stories nonetheless. Yes Cat and Mouse is waaay better and Ahsoka is an annoying character in season 1
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Post by Star on Sept 19, 2018 15:52:26 GMT -5
Do you still stand by liking Cat and Mouse more than Storm Over Ryloth? I think S1 has good episodes, but you're right in the sense that there's a lot of inconsistency in quality. Only a handful of S1 episodes are really high quality for me personally, but there's a lot that are fun stories nonetheless. Yes Cat and Mouse is waaay better and Ahsoka is an annoying character in season 1 I think Storm Over Ryloth was the first major turning point for her character. Yeah, she was still somewhat annoying following this episode, but it developed her individually as well as her relationship with Anakin. The only other episode that came close to this was Cloak of Darkness or maybe Jedi Crash. Yet this one was superior I think, since it showed her failing and then having to rebound by being a leader due to Anakin trusting in her skills.
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Post by Kenbo on Sept 19, 2018 19:21:34 GMT -5
I think Liberty of Ryloth is the weakest of the three... But the whole arc is a satisfying end to season 1 because it's actual war stuff. Holocron Heist feels tacked on Interesting that those beasts are called blurrgs as that's the name of Hera's blaster. Also apparently this guy Is Commander Ponds. That's pretty cool
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Post by Star on Sept 20, 2018 14:25:03 GMT -5
Wat Tambor is a pretty cool character, just like some of the other Separatist leaders from the early seasons of TCW. I wish we got to see more of him (not counting the Bad Batch arc). His dialogue with his tactical droid is also pretty amusing, since they both almost seem like equals even though Tambor is meant to be in charge.
Mace Windu was great in this episode, both with how he was in battle as well as interacting with Cham and others. Even all these years later, the shot of him breaking the glass to save the AT-TE driver still impresses me. But like Newan said, his strategy in the opening sequence of the episode seemed questionable. Honestly they probably included that because it looked cool.
This is the weakest episode of the arc, but it's still a good conclusion. My main complaint is that the final attack on the capital seems a little rushed. I like the dynamic the freedom fighters add though, and the plasma bridge is cool.
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Post by Star on Sept 20, 2018 14:27:37 GMT -5
As a whole, this arc was probably the strongest collection of episodes we got in S1. I really like how it focused solely on the war and gave us various viewpoints in terms of location and character. My rankings would be:
Storm Over Ryloth: 8.5/10 Innocents of Ryloth: 8.5/10 Liberty on Ryloth: 8/10
Ryloth arc: 8.33/10
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Post by Star on Sept 20, 2018 22:57:01 GMT -5
So with all of S1 done (excluding Hostage Crisis), I thought the worst episode was Downfall of a Droid, while the best ones were Cloak of Darkness, Dooku Captured, Storm Over Ryloth, and Innocents of Ryloth. Those are roughly the episodes I expected to be my favorites. There were some other enjoyable episodes as well as quite a few that were okay, but nothing spectacular. From here on out though, I expect the quality to generally increase.
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 22, 2018 23:24:26 GMT -5
Really wanted to watch these tonight but I got really fucking sick.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Sept 24, 2018 2:41:03 GMT -5
I finished up watching them. One thing that needs to be said is that the battle scenes all around take it up a notch here. However, as weaker paced as it was, I still think Liberty is my favourite. Some of the battle scenes here are just so satisfying. Storm's a solid second, since it kicks off Ahsoka developing more (for the first time I think) and that last space battle is pretty awesome, what with the whole ramming and all. Innocents is also pretty good, but I dunno. It's just not as fun a watch for me. A part I did like was how Tambor's tactical droid seemed more qualified to be in charge than him. Actually, considering how he basically betrayed him in a way, I'm guessing he wasn't Tambor's.
Also, it's a bit weird how Ryloth is seemingly so much more primitive in buildings and tech. Maybe Obi's right and it's just a lower class area.
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 10:53:27 GMT -5
Storm over Ryloth is a really good episode. It's good to see Ahsoka fail and have to learn from her mistakes. It's good character growth and it puts in perspective that she's not invincible. I think episodes like this show for instance why Ahsoka works and Rey doesn't. Also it's good to hear her theme in this episode. I hadn't noticed it before. Mar Tukk is also the best of the Ryloth villains and it's really satisfying to see him when he knows he's lost. This episode is also really well paced. Not much to complain about. 7/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 11:00:21 GMT -5
Innocents of Ryloth is also really good, best of the trilogy for me. The pacing is also really good and that helps. I just really like the scenes where Waxer and Boil are walking around trying to envision what happened to the people. The setting and the music combine for a very real and down to earth tone. Not the most fun episode but there's a lot to appreciate. It kinda bums me out that this is the only time Waxer and Boil get a whole subplot but then again the 212th barely get whole episodes anyway. 7/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 11:04:20 GMT -5
Liberty on Ryloth is the weakest but still pretty good. The strong points are the battles and the characters. But the pacing throws it all off. Things just seem to happen too quickly and nothing is given time to develop organically. Maybe this could have been done with cutting the beginning. That was a cool scene but it really doesn't make much sense. Like of course it makes sense for Cham to change his mind but he does it only a few minutes after we learn the reasons that he won't. The ending battle is really cool even if Lessu makes less sense as a city than Minas Tirith. Also it's funny how Tambor gets shit from his droid. It's still a satisfying conclusion to the best arc of Season 1. 6/10
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