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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 23, 2018 20:29:03 GMT -5
On to next arc, an arc so tonally inconsistent and disjointed, that it's easy to forget it's an arc at all!
August 24th - 30th 2018
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 23, 2018 20:43:33 GMT -5
Oh dang I guess this is kind of an arc. The more I watch these the more I wish they kept a continuing story
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Post by Star on Aug 23, 2018 20:58:38 GMT -5
This is a strange arc to say the least. Each episode is so different from the last, but it keeps just enough in common to call it an arc.
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Post by Star on Aug 23, 2018 21:50:38 GMT -5
Despite being such a silly episode at heart, at least Bombad Jedi realizes that and doesn't take itself too seriously. The basic premise is a little like what we see on Bespin in TESB, which is cool. I also like that we get to see Padme in a better role along with the inclusion of Gunray.
The humor with Jar Jar and C-3PO is a little too childish at most times, but the concept of how everyone mistakes Jar Jar as a Jedi is pretty clever. It also it neat to see how just the idea of a Jedi being around really worries the Separatists.
Still far from a strong episode, but I don't really loathe it. The episode could've been way worse, and at least it was different enough with its plot.
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Post by Potato on Aug 24, 2018 8:14:04 GMT -5
Did Gunray only appear in one other episode after this (Cargo of Doom)? It feels weird that they used him so little considering he was one of the main leaders of the Separatists.
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 24, 2018 8:17:55 GMT -5
Did Gunray only appear in one other episode after this (Cargo of Doom)? It feels weird that they used him so little considering he was one of the main leaders of the Separatists. Same. That always bugged me too. In fact, they didn’t use Tom Kenny at all after the first half of Season 3. |
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Post by Potato on Aug 24, 2018 8:18:08 GMT -5
Also chronologically Ventress doesn't appear again until ARC Troopers... and then after that she gets betrayed by Dooku. I kind of wish we got another story or two with her as a villain.
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Post by Potato on Aug 24, 2018 8:18:44 GMT -5
Did Gunray only appear in one other episode after this (Cargo of Doom)? It feels weird that they used him so little considering he was one of the main leaders of the Separatists. Same. That always bugged me too. In fact, they didn’t use Tom Kenny at all after the first half of Season 3. Oh crap, he voiced Nute in TCW?!  Didn't he also voice Tan Divo? |
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 24, 2018 8:19:07 GMT -5
Same. That always bugged me too. In fact, they didn’t use Tom Kenny at all after the first half of Season 3. Oh crap, he voiced Nute in TCW?! Didn't he also voice Tan Divo? Yeah, and Nahdar Veb.  |
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Post by Potato on Aug 24, 2018 8:20:48 GMT -5
Oh crap, he voiced Nute in TCW?! Didn't he also voice Tan Divo? Yeah, and Nahdar Veb. Wow, I didn't know he did that many voices. I knew he did Divo since that sounded the most like Spongebob, but had no idea about the others. Kind of weird they didn't bring him back. I guess he had enough on his plate with Spongebob though. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 24, 2018 8:21:08 GMT -5
Also chronologically Ventress doesn't appear again until ARC Troopers... and then after that she gets betrayed by Dooku. I kind of wish we got another story or two with her as a villain. Yeah, where was she in Season 2? I mean, if Rookies took place after this arc, you would be able to say she was on Kamino the whole time. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 24, 2018 8:22:25 GMT -5
It’s probabaly good they didn’t use Divo in “Sabotage” |
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Post by Star on Aug 24, 2018 8:22:47 GMT -5
Also chronologically Ventress doesn't appear again until ARC Troopers... and then after that she gets betrayed by Dooku. I kind of wish we got another story or two with her as a villain. It's kind of strange how little we see of her. But she was only an assassin, so it kind of makes sense she wouldn't be at the heart of most conflicts. |
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Post by Star on Aug 24, 2018 9:18:08 GMT -5
Cloak of Darkness still holds up as a very impressive episode. I really like how it continues the story introduced in the previous episode, but manages to make it feel so different at the same time. Even though we don't get much of an explanation for why Ahsoka is with Luminara instead of Anakin, I like the pairing. Gunray's character also seems better developed here compared to what we've seen of him thus far.
It was kind of nice to see the Separatists appear as such a huge threat here, especially when the episode ended with a victory for them. Ventress gets her best moment of the show so far during her fight against Luminara and Ahsoka, since it truly shows she is a formidable opponent. The betrayal of Argyus was also very well done. I remember it surprising me when I first watched this, but not nearly as much as when Ventress killed him in the very end. Unlike with Grievous killing Gha Nachkt a few episodes back, this one was more shocking and impactful.
This was the episode that first showed how impressive TCW could be. The animation was very strong here too, especially throughout the duel with Luminara, Ahsoka, and Ventress. Definitely one of the best episodes of S1 for me.
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Post by Star on Aug 24, 2018 14:50:36 GMT -5
It's still weird to think that Lair of Grievous is part of the same arc as the last two episodes. The overall story is predictable, but I love the premise of Dooku wanting to test Grievous. It's also really cool to see Grievous's fortress and hints at his past. I like seeing the dynamic of Fisto and Vebb, even if Vebb is annoying.
I wish that Grievous had been able to do more damage besides killing some clones and a Jedi Knight. Perhaps if another Jedi Master had been there for him to kill, there would've been a greater impact. Nahdar's death didn't really do much to showcase Grievous's power. I do like that Grievous was very intimidating in this episode though, especially when his legs are cut and he still manages to escape like a spider. That really showcased what a dangerous warrior he was. I just wish that he was always this imposing, if not more, given that he is the commander of the droid army.
Given all of this, I still really enjoy this episode, and it's one of the better offerings of S1.
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Post by Newan on Aug 24, 2018 15:26:36 GMT -5
Man its kinda hard getting decent backgrounds for a lot of these old episodes and I don't really want to use a venator or space image every episode as easy as that would be lol |
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Post by Newan on Aug 24, 2018 15:27:30 GMT -5
Even though this specific image is from Children of the Force I believe, but whatever Rodia is featured a lot more in this week.
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Post by Star on Aug 24, 2018 20:09:49 GMT -5
As far as arcs go in TCW, this is definitely one of the more diverse ones, as seen with its characters, locations, and plots. My rankings for them would be as follows:
Bombad Jedi: 5/10
Cloak of Darkness: 8.5/10
Lair of Grievous: 7.5/10
Gunray arc: 7/10
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Post by Potato on Aug 25, 2018 11:37:57 GMT -5
It's still weird to think that Lair of Grievous is part of the same arc as the last two episodes. The overall story is predictable, but I love the premise of Dooku wanting to test Grievous. It's also really cool to see Grievous's fortress and hints at his past. I like seeing the dynamic of Fisto and Vebb, even if Vebb is annoying. I wish that Grievous had been able to do more damage besides killing some clones and a Jedi Knight. Perhaps if another Jedi Master had been there for him to kill, there would've been a greater impact. Nahdar's death didn't really do much to showcase Grievous's power. I do like that Grievous was very intimidating in this episode though, especially when his legs are cut and he still manages to escape like a spider. That really showcased what a dangerous warrior he was. I just wish that he was always this imposing, if not more, given that he is the commander of the droid army. Given all of this, I still really enjoy this episode, and it's one of the better offerings of S1. It kind of sucks this episode showed Grievous' only Jedi kill. I think Grievous is overhyped and think a lot of people don't realize he's supposed to be a coward, but even I think they should have showed more of his victories. He got some other decent kills (like Tarpals and Talzin) but all of those lightsabers he has had to have come from somewhere, and we never really see him get them. |
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Post by Newan on Aug 27, 2018 13:06:09 GMT -5
Bombard Jedi is kinda meh, there was a reoccurring theme of these type of political episodes every season and they would continuously use the same boring characters in Padme and Jar Jar.... at least season 3 and 4 got a bit more interesting with them with Raxus and Vizsla....
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Post by Newan on Aug 27, 2018 13:07:37 GMT -5
Bombay Jedi is a 4/10. Rodia was cool but I disliked the characters and I’ve always seen Gunray as an incompetent full retard who deserves 0 posistion of power...
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Post by Star on Aug 27, 2018 15:54:33 GMT -5
Bombay Jedi is a 4/10. Rodia was cool but I disliked the characters and I’ve always seen Gunray as an incompetent full retard who deserves 0 posistion of power... A lot of people hate on Jar Jar, but Nute Gunray is honestly just as silly. He's way more powerful than Jar Jar and yet he seems like he can barely accomplish anything. It's kind of difficult to believe he even got to his position in the Trade Federation and later the Separatist Council. TPM honestly made him too foolish to even be menacing. He has allies and resources, but that's about it. |
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Post by Newan on Aug 27, 2018 17:20:45 GMT -5
Bombay Jedi is a 4/10. Rodia was cool but I disliked the characters and I’ve always seen Gunray as an incompetent full retard who deserves 0 posistion of power... A lot of people hate on Jar Jar, but Nute Gunray is honestly just as silly. He's way more powerful than Jar Jar and yet he seems like he can barely accomplish anything. It's kind of difficult to believe he even got to his position in the Trade Federation and later the Separatist Council. TPM honestly made him too foolish to even be menacing. He has allies and resources, but that's about it. Yeah he’s a complete fool, the Nemodian senator is actually competent so that proves this some of his species are smart |
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 28, 2018 20:05:17 GMT -5
I would've thought they would avoid Jar Jar considering how hated the character is yet they kept putting him in episodes... Shoving more Jar Jar into peoples faces will not make them like him.... And they even started trolling by making it seem he was killed off lmao I know George was behind this.
I am a little confused though. Was it all a trick to capture Gunray or was Farr legitimately siding with the Separatists and then at the end Padme gave him another chance and he took it?
Also Rodia looks nice I like all the colors. Seems like something out of a video game
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 28, 2018 20:34:36 GMT -5
Cloak of Darkness is pretty good. A focus on three female characters felt normal instead of some girl power feminist agenda thing other shows have... Star is right, they should've maybe explained why Ahsoka and Luminara are together. I mean you can easily make up an explanation but a line or two explaining it would've been good. And like where's Bariss? And lol how Anakin just randomly at the end says "Ahsoka, meet at the rendezvous." This episode had a few weird dialogue lines
I don't understand how Luminara didn't break her leg or something under that pipe. Or how Ahsoka didn't die after stepping right onto a detonator... But I do like how Luminara said she's never faced someone like Ventress. It shows how the Jedi at this time aren't really experienced in fighting Sith/other lightsaber weilders.
Gunray is funny lol it's too bad they never really used him again. He is a pretty big Separatist player so they could have done something with him. I would've liked to see his ROTS look.
A lot of these episodes seem to have plot twists or surprise betrayals and whatnot I've noticed
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 28, 2018 21:02:30 GMT -5
Dang Lair of Grievous is actually really dark... A very unique premise though. Nice to see something a little different. It is interestesting how while these three episodes feel very disconnected, they share one plot point.
Nahdar is annoying as fuck though... And honestly I never really realized how freaky Kit Fisto looks... I am glad we saw him though. It was nice how they would dedicate at least one episode to the background Jedi.
I believe this is the first time we see the Jedi temple and the council chamber... Kinda pointless though for a unnecessary 30 second conversation. Felt out of place tbh
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 28, 2018 23:14:17 GMT -5
Honestly might not get to these until the weekend. Busy few days.  |
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Post by Star on Aug 29, 2018 10:37:15 GMT -5
Honestly might not get to these until the weekend. Busy few days. School is pretty much beginning for all of us now, so I'm sure activity with the rewatch will continue to decline. That's why I took last week to get a few weeks ahead in case I became too busy to do it in real time |
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Post by Star on Aug 29, 2018 10:39:41 GMT -5
I would've thought they would avoid Jar Jar considering how hated the character is yet they kept putting him in episodes... Shoving more Jar Jar into peoples faces will not make them like him.... And they even started trolling by making it seem he was killed off lmao I know George was behind this. I am a little confused though. Was it all a trick to capture Gunray or was Farr legitimately siding with the Separatists and then at the end Padme gave him another chance and he took it? Also Rodia looks nice I like all the colors. Seems like something out of a video game I always viewed it as Farr genuinely siding with the Separatists based on the promise of supplies. As he realizes how Gunray behaves throughout the episode and sees the unfolding of events, then when Padme gives him another chance, he takes it. |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Aug 31, 2018 14:53:24 GMT -5
Yeah, like Spider said, this arc is weird in how all over the place it is. Bombad's is sort of forgettable. Besides seeing Rodia there's not much else I can give worthy praise Cloak of Darkness is a definite improvement though. It's actually got some surprisingly decent pacing. Just a shame Gunray has to be so annoying in so much of it. As for Lair of Grievous, I used to put it up as a favourite a long time ago, but now I'm really not so sure. It's got the atmosphere down and I really like the nuggets of Grievous' backstory, but it feels too half baked. It's not helped by how weak Grievous' character is. A lot of the dialogue that he spouts off can be really naff Although I do like how the animation is tonnes better and Fisto makes a cool protagonist. Just wish its titular villain was stronger. Both in skill and as a character |
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Didn't he also voice Tan Divo?
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