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Post by Star on Aug 14, 2018 15:05:50 GMT -5
10 years later, and the Malevolence arc still stands pretty strong. It gave us three episodes that all felt different but tied together nicely. I think the quality dipped a little with each episode, but that's partly because I liked how it began with the Separatists appearing very threatening, the ship being mysterious, and the tension being greater initially.
Rising: 7/10
Shadow: 7/10
Destroy: 6.5/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 14, 2018 22:22:05 GMT -5
I remember reviewers giving DM lower ratings the other two and that was weird bc it was my favorite out of them ten years ago. But yeah it kinda feels out of place after the last two. Still good. Definitely fun, but maybe a little too fun if that makes any sense.  |
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Post by Star on Aug 14, 2018 22:31:07 GMT -5
Shadow of Malevolence had a lot of moments that called back to the films. The clone medical bay felt like something out of AOTC, while the ending shot reminded me of the ending shot of TESB. The whole Y-wing attack had parallels to the trench run in ANH as well. Small things like that made it very enjoyable to rewatch, and I could pick up on those similarities more quickly now versus several years ago.
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Post by Star on Aug 14, 2018 22:32:08 GMT -5
I remember reviewers giving DM lower ratings the other two and that was weird bc it was my favorite out of them ten years ago. But yeah it kinda feels out of place after the last two. Still good. Definitely fun, but maybe a little too fun if that makes any sense. I get what you're saying. It was like they tried to make it too action-packed and humorous at once, and it lost some of its storytelling appeal. |
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Post by Star on Aug 15, 2018 10:12:37 GMT -5
I just realized that the podhunter droid commander was humming the Imperial March theme as he flew toward Plo Koon and Wolfpack.
Also, the pod that was destroyed by the droids was called pod 1977, which is pretty cool. I only noticed this when watching those scenes again, they were kind of easy to miss.
Plo Koon has some nice lines in Rising Malevolence too, like "When you ask for trouble, you should not be surprised when it finds you" and "Not to me" (in reference to clones being expendable).
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Post by Star on Aug 15, 2018 10:34:05 GMT -5
So it seems like when Obi-Wan and Grievous confront one another in Destroy Malevolence, it was their first encounter? I liked how it paralleled their final duel in ROTS a lot by having similar dialogue and staging. Even though their fight was very brief, it was still fine I think, since it gave them both a taste of what the other was like in combat.
Unless something comes out to change this, it also appears that the Malevolence was the first direct involvement Grievous had in the war. I'm guessing this arc occurs a few months after the First Battle of Geonosis, so during that time, Dooku was probably training Grievous in lightsaber combat. I know Grievous hired AD-W4 to protect Hissrich in the Outer Rim, but I don't think Grievous did anything more than that.
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 15, 2018 11:28:19 GMT -5
I’ve probably said this before, but it just feels weird now when Grievous tells Obi-Wan he has been training in lightsaber combat. They’ve fought each other so many times (Malevolence, Saleucami, Kamino, Negotiator, Utapau) that Obi-Wan would clearly know this.
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 15, 2018 12:29:55 GMT -5
I’ve probably said this before, but it just feels weird now when Grievous tells Obi-Wan he has been training in lightsaber combat. They’ve fought each other so many times (Malevolence, Saleucami, Kamino, Negotiator, Utapau) that Obi-Wan would clearly know this. Yeah ROTS didn't leave a lot of leeway for fights against Dooku and Grievous so the lines in that movie feel weird after seeing TCW. But I would not have liked if they never showed the main heroes fight the main villains in TCW. Not much they could do besides make some inconsistencies |
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 15, 2018 12:31:19 GMT -5
I’ve probably said this before, but it just feels weird now when Grievous tells Obi-Wan he has been training in lightsaber combat. They’ve fought each other so many times (Malevolence, Saleucami, Kamino, Negotiator, Utapau) that Obi-Wan would clearly know this. Yeah ROTS didn't leave a lot of leeway for fights against Dooku and Grievous so the lines in that movie feel weird after seeing TCW. But I would not have liked if they never showed the main heroes fight the main villains in TCW. Not much they could do besides make some inconsistencies True. I guess if they wanted things to line up completely then they’d have to make Anakin an unlikable shit. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 15, 2018 12:36:34 GMT -5
What if they waited until like Season 3 or 4 to introduce Grievous. Like maybe then they could have made him more intimidating or just have him work in the shadows until then.
Hell, what if they had pre-cyborg Grievous before, had him be injured, and showed his transformation? Bonus points if they were to hide his identity and make it a shock when he becomes Grievous.
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Post by Potato on Aug 15, 2018 13:35:49 GMT -5
Slightly off topic, but watching these episodes again makes me wish I got some older Lego Clone Wars sets like the Twilight or the Malevolence...  I used to think they were kind of bad sets (especially the Twilight) but now I really want them, especially the Twilight. Maybe I can make that out of spare pieces. |
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Post by Star on Aug 15, 2018 13:52:17 GMT -5
I’ve probably said this before, but it just feels weird now when Grievous tells Obi-Wan he has been training in lightsaber combat. They’ve fought each other so many times (Malevolence, Saleucami, Kamino, Negotiator, Utapau) that Obi-Wan would clearly know this. It's possible that even though Obi-Wan was aware of Grievous clearly being a Sith ally and skilled with lightsabers, he didn't know that Dooku specifically trained Grevous in Jedi combat. Another possibility is that maybe Grievous didn't start or finish his training under Dooku until right before ROTS, hence why Grievous doesn't outright say this until Utapau. It's a little far fetched, but it's one of the better ways I can think of it making the most sense based on ROTS dialogue and what we see in TCW. Or it simply is more banter between Grievous and Obi-Wan, since they clearly had a strong rivalry. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 15, 2018 14:00:29 GMT -5
Slightly off topic, but watching these episodes again makes me wish I got some older Lego Clone Wars sets like the Twilight or the Malevolence... I used to think they were kind of bad sets (especially the Twilight) but now I really want them, especially the Twilight. Maybe I can make that out of spare pieces. Those are like a few of the only sets I didn’t get. |
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 15, 2018 20:44:03 GMT -5
What if they waited until like Season 3 or 4 to introduce Grievous. Like maybe then they could have made him more intimidating or just have him work in the shadows until then. Hell, what if they had pre-cyborg Grievous before, had him be injured, and showed his transformation? Bonus points if they were to hide his identity and make it a shock when he becomes Grievous. They probably didn't know if the show would last that long. I think it's good he was introduced early on, he's an important character. They should've put him in the movie as well. I've said before I would've loved to see Grievous' Kaleesh background, the shuttle accident, Count Dooku stuff, etc. But I don't think this show really did backgrounds for any of the characters, it was more just jumping into a story. |
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Post by Newan on Aug 17, 2018 15:16:32 GMT -5
Uh kinda tricky getting a decent background for this upcoming week, theres not many great pictures and most of the ones from Rookiees looks really dark.
Anyways looking forward to the next week, I just did not get the time to catch up from the past two weeks so looking forward to getting back into the rewatch.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Aug 18, 2018 3:12:30 GMT -5
Finished the trilogy. Jeez, Ambush must have had a higher budget because the animation here looks way more robotic and dated... Still, it's entertaining enough, just not quite as much wow factor you sort of expect from a story involving a Super Star Destroyer size ship. Destroy Malevolence didn't quite pack as much punch as the first two parts, like some of you have been saying, but I did like the "Hello there" reference, so there's that. However that "Duel" between Obi-Wan and Grievous felt kinda lame and I still don't like how the latter lacks the frightening danger his Star Wars: Clone Wars counterpart once had (the only thing that tried to make him out as threatening). On the whole it's good enough, just a bit visually dated.
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Post by Star on Sept 6, 2018 23:00:02 GMT -5
It's kind of funny how I've started seeing a lot of Plo Koon memes from Rising Malevolence just after watching this arc.
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 6, 2018 23:38:22 GMT -5
It's kind of funny how I've started seeing a lot of Plo Koon memes from Rising Malevolence just after watching this arc. Not to me |
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Post by Newan on Dec 17, 2018 1:59:47 GMT -5
Rising Malevolence is decent, it’s Ironic that Plo-Koons first real appearance in the show is him getting rescued when later he’s basically the official rescue crew. I also like that they showed Wolfe before he got his scar, and if was interesting seeing him in naval officer garments, you think more clones or at least commanders would wear those when not in combat.
It was a very nice touch that they added Plo’s Ability to control weather and atmospheric pressure, it was a fairly unique ability to him in the old EU. It’s also weird how in the opening narration they show scenes from episodes that did not happen yet, although I pointed that out in other season 1 episodes as well. Coruscant looked kind of weird in this episode though, and the first half of season 1 in general has meh voice acting, I don’t know if it’s the actors getting used to the characters or if it’s just worse equipment they are using. Although Kenobi sounds kind of fine, but JAT had experience with the part since before TCW series so...
Anyways I’m going to say 6/10, there’s a lot of nice elements but nothing amazing happens in this episode, was really just introducing the characters for people who may have skipped the movie I guess. Also it seems like a strategic flaw to have Grievous and Dooku be in the same place at any given time... at least a place that isn’t in sepratists Territory.
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Post by Newan on Dec 17, 2018 2:31:33 GMT -5
Shadow of Malevolence is definitely better although this is one of Ahsoka more annoying episodes in the show, however I really like the moment when they switch the plan and how Anakin and Plo-Koon were probably the only ones going to make it. Pretty sure Plo has a rep of being one of the best pilots in the order. I think Anakin, Plo-Koon and Saesee Tiin were like the 3 most recognized pilots.
I do like the mention of Balmorra from the EU. Although I don’t think it should be close to Naboo at all, and I’m not sure why the Medical Outpost is in like the middle of nowhere. I also like the inclusion of the Y-Wings, it actually adds more depth to the Rebel Alliance then anything it does for TCW tbh. It shows just how desperate the Rebels are in needing to use old tech, and we saw that in Rebels when they steal the bombers.
When do we first have any mention of Oddball btw? The clone pilot from ROTS, I think he’s mentioned in Umbara? I’m pretty sure he was the clone responsible for the bombing run on the hill in the first episode. I thought he was in this episode but guess not.
Anyways it’s better then Rising that’s for sure, but still seems kind of easy although I guess the destruction of the first Death Star was sort of easy too. I’ll give it a 7/10
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Post by Newan on Dec 17, 2018 3:01:28 GMT -5
Destroy Malevolence is underwhelming, once again it feels like an introduction to the characters episode by including basically all the main prequel characters. Anakin, Kenobi, Padme, R2 and 3PO. The ending also feels kind of childish, on one hand I like that they showed off Anakins skills with that trick but still it seems like really cartoon like having the final result after 3 episodes happen in that fashion. Not even in Rebels would have done such a weird ending to what should have been a more serious story.
Also does anybody notice they use the “Rescue Padme” gag FOUR TIMES in season 1... Destroy Malevolence, Bombad Jedi, Blue Shadow Virus and Hostage Crisis. And Mystery of a Thousand Moons could be an honorary 5th. They really had a lack of ideas at first between that and the constant traitor plots, I guess they are hard to notice if not looking for them but still the creativity was much better after season 1.
I wouldn’t say this episode counts as a Grievous vs Kenobi duel either tbh, they clashed for like 2 seconds. So really by the time of Arc Troopers they only had like one real duel in Grievous Intrigue.
Anyways I’m going to say 5/10, Pretty boring plot and underwhelming end to the arc. But at least I am now completely caught up in the rewatch, just did 4 episodes in a row.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 17, 2018 3:02:04 GMT -5
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Post by Star on Dec 21, 2018 10:12:55 GMT -5
Shadow of Malevolence is definitely better although this is one of Ahsoka more annoying episodes in the show, however I really like the moment when they switch the plan and how Anakin and Plo-Koon were probably the only ones going to make it. Pretty sure Plo has a rep of being one of the best pilots in the order. I think Anakin, Plo-Koon and Saesee Tiin were like the 3 most recognized pilots. I do like the mention of Balmorra from the EU. Although I don’t think it should be close to Naboo at all, and I’m not sure why the Medical Outpost is in like the middle of nowhere. I also like the inclusion of the Y-Wings, it actually adds more depth to the Rebel Alliance then anything it does for TCW tbh. It shows just how desperate the Rebels are in needing to use old tech, and we saw that in Rebels when they steal the bombers. When do we first have any mention of Oddball btw? The clone pilot from ROTS, I think he’s mentioned in Umbara? I’m pretty sure he was the clone responsible for the bombing run on the hill in the first episode. I thought he was in this episode but guess not. Anyways it’s better then Rising that’s for sure, but still seems kind of easy although I guess the destruction of the first Death Star was sort of easy too. I’ll give it a 7/10 I'm pretty sure there was a scene in the movie with Oddball, but unless he was mentioned in passing since then and I missed it, he doesn't return until Umbara I think. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 21, 2018 11:13:57 GMT -5
Shadow of Malevolence is definitely better although this is one of Ahsoka more annoying episodes in the show, however I really like the moment when they switch the plan and how Anakin and Plo-Koon were probably the only ones going to make it. Pretty sure Plo has a rep of being one of the best pilots in the order. I think Anakin, Plo-Koon and Saesee Tiin were like the 3 most recognized pilots. I do like the mention of Balmorra from the EU. Although I don’t think it should be close to Naboo at all, and I’m not sure why the Medical Outpost is in like the middle of nowhere. I also like the inclusion of the Y-Wings, it actually adds more depth to the Rebel Alliance then anything it does for TCW tbh. It shows just how desperate the Rebels are in needing to use old tech, and we saw that in Rebels when they steal the bombers. When do we first have any mention of Oddball btw? The clone pilot from ROTS, I think he’s mentioned in Umbara? I’m pretty sure he was the clone responsible for the bombing run on the hill in the first episode. I thought he was in this episode but guess not. Anyways it’s better then Rising that’s for sure, but still seems kind of easy although I guess the destruction of the first Death Star was sort of easy too. I’ll give it a 7/10 I'm pretty sure there was a scene in the movie with Oddball, but unless he was mentioned in passing since then and I missed it, he doesn't return until Umbara I think. Yeah it was the movie. He starts to freak out when he’s almost shot down over Teth. |
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I used to think they were kind of bad sets (especially the Twilight) but now I really want them, especially the Twilight. Maybe I can make that out of spare pieces.
