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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 21, 2018 17:54:26 GMT -5
I ageee with what Potato said the other day though. Rebels was always going to happen after TCW. Especially when you consider the original concept for TCW was basically what Rebels was. The original TCW would have been about a new Jedi Master, new Jedi Padawan, a Smuggler, a Droid and I think there was another character. The main prequel characters were meant to be cameos at first. I guess they moved away from that idea after the backlash of the prequels and a show based around that probably wouldn't have redeemed the prequels whereas the OT didn't need redeeming. It's also easier to make an original new story with new characters in the 20 years between ROTS and ANH then the 3 years between AOTC and ROTS I guess. Yeah that was Dave's original idea and George said nah. We always say George had bad ideas and Dave had good ones but sometimes it was the other way around  George had good ideas but was bad at bringing them to fruition. Dave can translate ideas well but his ideas are often frustratingly bad. They need each other imho. |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 21, 2018 17:54:52 GMT -5
Honestly, shows should finish what they start, not spend the last few episodes try to set up another show. (This isn’t Andy Griffith) Let's be honest characters like Ahsoka and Rex were probably never gonna die in TCW... the main heroes just don't die like that in Star Wars while in their prime. Han wasn't killed in ROTJ for example. Only the old mentor figures tend to die. I think Rex would have died. Ahsoka too probably if Filoni had not pushed for her to survive. TCW was much more brutal than the movies. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 21, 2018 17:55:21 GMT -5
Yeah that was Dave's original idea and George said nah. We always say George had bad ideas and Dave had good ones but sometimes it was the other way around It usually was the other way around. Rebels is on Filoni. Everything that happened on TCW had to be approved by Lucas. I like Filoni, he truly seems to care about making good Star Wars stories. But I don't think he is that good with ideas. At the same time a lot of the filler episodes and questionable ideas were on Lucas though, like the season 4 Droid arc was his personal project if I recall. His daughter was a lot better tbh |
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Post by Newan on Jul 21, 2018 17:56:26 GMT -5
Let's be honest characters like Ahsoka and Rex were probably never gonna die in TCW... the main heroes just don't die like that in Star Wars while in their prime. Han wasn't killed in ROTJ for example. Only the old mentor figures tend to die. I think Rex would have died. Ahsoka too probably if Filoni had not pushed for her to survive. TCW was much more brutal than the movies. No way does Rex die, they literally set up his fate with the Fives arc. He was always going to remove his chip. His outcome in Rebels would likely be the same as if TCW continued |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 21, 2018 17:56:34 GMT -5
It usually was the other way around. Rebels is on Filoni. Everything that happened on TCW had to be approved by Lucas. I like Filoni, he truly seems to care about making good Star Wars stories. But I don't think he is that good with ideas. At the same time a lot of the filler episodes and questionable ideas were on Lucas though, like the season 4 Droid arc was his personal project if I recall. His daughter was a lot better tbh I never said all his ideas were good... but they were definitely better than what Filoni had planned for the series. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 21, 2018 18:01:37 GMT -5
GL = Prequels, Strange Magic and shit like that
DF = Rebels
GL and DF together = TCW
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 0:54:53 GMT -5
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 22, 2018 0:59:41 GMT -5
I think Rex would have died. Ahsoka too probably if Filoni had not pushed for her to survive. TCW was much more brutal than the movies. No way does Rex die, they literally set up his fate with the Fives arc. He was always going to remove his chip. His outcome in Rebels would likely be the same as if TCW continued I always saw it more as just trying to finally explain Order 66 and why, for even our favorite clones, it was unavoidable. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 1:19:20 GMT -5
No way does Rex die, they literally set up his fate with the Fives arc. He was always going to remove his chip. His outcome in Rebels would likely be the same as if TCW continued I always saw it more as just trying to finally explain Order 66 and why, for even our favorite clones, it was unavoidable. Nah Rex knew at the end of The Umbara arc things were changing and I'm pretty sure the Fives stuff had a big impact on him plus he would have saw the bandage on Fives head where he removed his chip. I think Rex would have 100% removed his with Ahsoka help. Although Wolfe and Gregor having their chips removed is more weird but Gregor might have had his severely damaged anyways |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 22, 2018 8:50:41 GMT -5
I always saw it more as just trying to finally explain Order 66 and why, for even our favorite clones, it was unavoidable. Nah Rex knew at the end of The Umbara arc things were changing and I'm pretty sure the Fives stuff had a big impact on him plus he would have saw the bandage on Fives head where he removed his chip. I think Rex would have 100% removed his with Ahsoka help. Although Wolfe and Gregor having their chips removed is more weird but Gregor might have had his severely damaged anyways Yeah that always bugged me. Because Rex ends up with them, you’d assume he told them to do it. But they seem like some of the last clones he would tell... Like Jesse and Kix would make a lot more sense. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 22, 2018 10:13:16 GMT -5
Tarfull asking for permission to fight the droids as a really interesting concept would've loved to see that |
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Post by Star on Jul 22, 2018 13:06:47 GMT -5
Regardless of whether Rex and Ahsoka were originally meant to survive TCW, there probably would've been similar characters in Rebels corresponding to them. Like maybe it could have been another Jedi that left the order who played the part of Ahsoka, and another clone trooper filling the role of Rex in Rebels. Rex and Ahsoka are more popular, so their inclusion in Rebels had a bigger effect, but the part could have been filled by other minor TCW characters if needed.
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 22, 2018 13:16:27 GMT -5
My problem is Ahsoka surviving Rebels. I don't like seeing the character as an old mentor figure like Yoda. I like seeing her as the young and enthusiastic Jedi who fought in the Clone War.
It's like how people didn't like reading about a grown up Tom Sawyer. It's not the same and it feels weird.
Actually I don't know if they ever did a grown up Tom Sawyer but I feel like I remember someone had the idea and it wasn't well received
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 22, 2018 13:17:43 GMT -5
My problem is Ahsoka surviving Rebels. I don't like seeing the character as an old mentor figure like Yoda. I like seeing her as the young and enthusiastic Jedi who fought in the Clone War. It's like how people didn't like reading about a grown up Tom Sawyer. It's not the same and it feels weird. And the OT is just kinda odd knowing there’s other Jedi out there. |
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Post by squiggy on Jul 22, 2018 13:20:58 GMT -5
A day off of work = Spaghetti and TCW reruns, perfect. I've done my adulting for the week, time to chillax.
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 22, 2018 13:21:16 GMT -5
My problem is Ahsoka surviving Rebels. I don't like seeing the character as an old mentor figure like Yoda. I like seeing her as the young and enthusiastic Jedi who fought in the Clone War. It's like how people didn't like reading about a grown up Tom Sawyer. It's not the same and it feels weird. And the OT is just kinda odd knowing there’s other Jedi out there. Well I never really understood why people think that. To me "last of the Jedi" is different from "last Jedi". Idk language is weird |
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 14:17:03 GMT -5
Tarfull asking for permission to fight the droids as a really interesting concept would've loved to see that Some people speculate the Bad Batch in the trailer is really setting up the second Bad Batch arc instead. Since the Bad Batch would have been in the Kashyyyk arc along with Yoda. |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 22, 2018 14:21:35 GMT -5
Tarfull asking for permission to fight the droids as a really interesting concept would've loved to see that Some people speculate the Bad Batch in the trailer is really setting up the second Bad Batch arc instead. Since the Bad Batch would have been in the Kashyyyk arc along with Yoda. Yes I think that may be the case. The scene from the trailer looks the same as the opening of the storyreel episode... except the bad batch is already there and in the storyreel they arrive later (I just checked this). So I think maybe they used the opening from the original arc because it would have looked good and we never got to see it fully animated anyway, but it is actually part of the second arc. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 14:25:29 GMT -5
Some people speculate the Bad Batch in the trailer is really setting up the second Bad Batch arc instead. Since the Bad Batch would have been in the Kashyyyk arc along with Yoda. Yes I think that may be the case. The scene from the trailer looks the same as the opening of the storyreel episode... except the bad batch is already there and in the storyreel they arrive later (I just checked this). So I think maybe they used the opening from the original arc because it would have looked good and we never got to see it fully animated anyway, but it is actually part of the second arc. They may also just use that 10 second clip or whatever during the opening narration for the Kashyyyk arc or something. But yeah I get the feeling we will get the Kashyyyk arc especially with the way Dave was talking like it was still gonna happen. Plus they didn't show anything from Utapau in that trailer so it wouldn't make sense to animate the original Bad Batch arc without also doing the Utapau arc. However not THAT many have watched the story reels I don't think so some people might be lost without knowing who the Bad Batch are. So maybe this strengthens the idea that we are getting 12 NEW episodes plus the 8 story reels fully animated already present |
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 14:27:52 GMT -5
I think the theme of the new episodes would obviously be to tie in TCW directly to ROTS. Siege of Mandalore does that since it should take place around the same time and even during ROTS.
Kashyyyk ties in directly to ROTS and it's one of the last conflicts of the war between Sepratists and Republic. I think the Bad Batch will basically be Delta Squad from republic commando since in the old stuff they were on Kashyyyk. Although technically delta squad is canon as well
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 14:40:55 GMT -5
Let's say it happens to be 12 new episodes plus the story reels.
I'd say it would be something like
1-4 Bad Batch
5-8 Utapau
9-12 Bounty Hunter Arc/ Or Ahsoka arc
13-16 Kashyyyk Arc
17-20 Siege of Mandalore
In this scenario my only concern would probably be the Bounty Hunter arc, I think they could end up doing one of Ahsoka's arcs in that place instead to have a more fluent season. You would have the battle conflicts/ clone episodes with Bad Batch and Kashyyyk, Anakin and Kenobi centric episodes and then some Ahsoka centric episodes. It would flow together quite well and likely all tie in nicely to the Siege of Mandalore.
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 14:43:47 GMT -5
I wonder how Disney streaming service will work, will it all release at once like Netflix? Or will it be week by week. I mean they I guess stand to make more money week by week if it's a monthly subscription.... although that would also probably encourage pirating as well. People would be more willing to only pay once for a single month to watch I think.
I'm probably gonna look to buy the new episodes on iTunes or something in a season pass, that way the money should directly support the show I'd imagine. Plus we have the Apple TV box so I can just buy it on ITunes and watch them all on tv anyways
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 22, 2018 15:09:21 GMT -5
I didn't know Bad Batch was supposed to be part of Kashyyyk too. Tbh that squad wasn't really interesting me though
It's possible that Anaxes clip is something else because it is not exactly like the story reel. But they could have changed some things around in like 3 years or whatever. I wouldn't expect the final episodes to be exactly like the reels
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Post by Potato on Jul 22, 2018 17:24:23 GMT -5
I rewatched some of the Bad Batch and that clip is nearly identical to the opening of the second episode, not the first. The only main difference is the Venators, but like everyone said before that part could have just been for the trailer. But Echo supposedly joined with the Bad Batch and was part of Kashyyyk too, so some people might be confused if Echo just shows up in the Kashyyyk arc.
Although I guess people are already going to be a bit confused about how Maul got back to Mandalore.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 22, 2018 17:25:24 GMT -5
I rewatched some of the Bad Batch and that clip is nearly identical to the opening of the second episode, not the first. The only main difference is the Venators, but like everyone said before that part could have just been for the trailer. But Echo supposedly joined with the Bad Batch and was part of Kashyyyk too, so some people might be confused if Echo just shows up in the Kashyyyk arc. Although I guess people are already going to be a bit confused about how Maul got back to Mandalore. Well they might think Sheev fried him for a bit and then went home |
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 17:43:01 GMT -5
I rewatched some of the Bad Batch and that clip is nearly identical to the opening of the second episode, not the first. The only main difference is the Venators, but like everyone said before that part could have just been for the trailer. But Echo supposedly joined with the Bad Batch and was part of Kashyyyk too, so some people might be confused if Echo just shows up in the Kashyyyk arc. Although I guess people are already going to be a bit confused about how Maul got back to Mandalore. I think Maul doesn't seem unreasonable considering he appears in both Solo and later Rebels, so everyone should know nothing comes of him being captured. Plus like I said they could just say he's in the run or escaped during the narration and I think that would be enough |
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 17:43:59 GMT -5
But having completely new characters show up that only appeared in story reels that don't have super high view counts on YouTube might be problematic
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 22, 2018 18:39:20 GMT -5
But having completely new characters show up that only appeared in story reels that don't have super high view counts on YouTube might be problematic Like who? The bad batch or echo or.. Because they would be new characters regardless if the episodes aired as normal. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 22, 2018 18:40:55 GMT -5
But having completely new characters show up that only appeared in story reels that don't have super high view counts on YouTube might be problematic Like who? The bad batch or echo or.. Because they would be new characters regardless if the episodes aired as normal. Well yes but they would have no introduction in this case |
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Post by Newan on Jul 22, 2018 18:41:22 GMT -5
But having completely new characters show up that only appeared in story reels that don't have super high view counts on YouTube might be problematic Like who? The bad batch or echo or.. Because they would be new characters regardless if the episodes aired as normal. The Bad Batch, because if they jump right to the Kashyyyk arc they are going to probably assume we know who these characters are |
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