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Post by Newan on Jun 16, 2017 0:18:26 GMT -5
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Post by Newan on Jun 16, 2017 2:00:59 GMT -5
Actually I'm pretty sure that planet isn't Teth, pretty sure it's Eadu from Rouge One. This would likely explain Saw's role as he closes in on the Death Star. Eadu is a kyber crystal refinery so that explains why we see Saw with a giant crystal behind him in the trailer.
Perhaps we will even see Galen Erso, his brother voices Thrawn so could work
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Post by Newan on Jun 16, 2017 2:16:39 GMT -5
It would make a lot of sense in the context of Rouge One to have Galen appear actually. He probably spends most of his time under close surveillance on Eadu. Krennic and the Imperials know he doesn't like the Empire much but he made himself "indispensable". They probably limit Galens knowledge of the outside world.
If the Rebels attack Eadu this reveals to Galen a large scale Galactic rebel movement, and he knows Saw personally it seems so it would really set up him putting his Rouge One plan in motion
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 16, 2017 8:05:53 GMT -5
Yeah I really like the very end of twilight if the apprentice's music and also Thrawn's themes. That one track from the Lasat episode is good too What track? Actually I'm pretty sure that planet isn't Teth, pretty sure it's Eadu from Rouge One. This would likely explain Saw's role as he closes in on the Death Star. Eadu is a kyber crystal refinery so that explains why we see Saw with a giant crystal behind him in the trailer. Perhaps we will even see Galen Erso, his brother voices Thrawn so could work I hope it is I want to see more stuff from Rogue One |
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Post by Newan on Jun 16, 2017 12:08:04 GMT -5
Actually I'm pretty sure that planet isn't Teth, pretty sure it's Eadu from Rouge One. This would likely explain Saw's role as he closes in on the Death Star. Eadu is a kyber crystal refinery so that explains why we see Saw with a giant crystal behind him in the trailer. Perhaps we will even see Galen Erso, his brother voices Thrawn so could work I hope it is I want to see more stuff from Rogue One On yeah that track is really good... Rebels has a lot of great soundtracks but most Star Wars content does |
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Post by Newan on Jun 16, 2017 20:59:32 GMT -5
The biggest flaw with this show is the fact that it airs on Disney XD... for that reason the show needs to stay somewhat simple for the younger audience however the writers do a fine job of adding a lot of hidden meanings, suggestive content and reading between the lines. There's usually a bigger idea or picture being presented that an older audience can grasp, it's just not as direct as TCW.
Season 1 was direct but simple, I think season 2 and 3 expanded on the bigger picture quite well. I am actually somewhat surprised with the level of violence/ darkness the show does achieve on a channel that features Mickey Mouse Clubhouse as one of its prime shows...
Sure Kenobi's points about it being cringe at times are valid... that AP5 musical scene is probably the most cringe thing I have seen in awhile. But to say the writing is bad, isn't really true they do a fine job with what resources they're given. I wouldn't say the characters are dull or underdeveloped. Both Zeb and Sabine have had great development IMO, Ezra and Kanan is more subtle, more of a over time kind of thing rather then episodes focused specifically on them like "The Honorable Ones" or "Trials of the Darksaber". Kallus may have the best development of any character surprisingly.
As for TCW characters well I don't think they are really needed but they made for some interesting storylines. I do think Rex is the exception however, his character fits quite well into this timeline and with this group of people. He has somewhat of a fatherly influence on Ezra and his relationship with Zeb is pretty cool. Ahsoka, she didn't have much of an impact but I think most people wanted a Ahsoka and Vader confrontation. Maul was some missed opportunities IMO but I am happy his storyline got a conclusion and all things considered it wasn't a bad one. Hondo... he's useless, most of his episodes are just plain filler.
And as for expansion of the universe... it actually has quite a bit for the OT era and it's been incorporating lots of the new and old canon stuff into the show. Thrawn, destruction of Geonosis, Noghri, Tie Defender, Interdictor, Mandalore plot line, Malachor III, Jedi and the force expansion, Bendu (which is a direct Mortis expansion), Inquisitors, Hammerhead cruisers, the birth of the entire Rebellion as little divided cells, Darksaber origins, Colonel Yularen (ISB) and plenty of others
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 17, 2017 20:50:41 GMT -5
They really need to show politics though... I know that was something about the prequels most people didn't like and is probably why they're staying away from it (besides the fact it's on a kids channel...). but without the politics, without seeing Coruscant, it's hard to get a sense of what the galaxy is really like at the time... like in TCW we saw how the Republic did things and the structure of the government. Just one episode in a political scene or one showing civilians of a planet, not just Rebels and Stormtroopers, would be enough. That's what I liked in season 1 and how it showed the citizens of Lothal and the Empire parade and whatnot.
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Post by Newan on Jun 17, 2017 21:57:21 GMT -5
They really need to show politics though... I know that was something about the prequels most people didn't like and is probably why they're staying away from it (besides the fact it's on a kids channel...). but without the politics, without seeing Coruscant, it's hard to get a sense of what the galaxy is really like at the time... like in TCW we saw how the Republic did things and the structure of the government. Just one episode in a political scene or one showing civilians of a planet, not just Rebels and Stormtroopers, would be enough. That's what I liked in season 1 and how it showed the citizens of Lothal and the Empire parade and whatnot. I don't think they need to show any more politics really, at this point the senate is basically just a symbol, it has no real purpose. Palpatine and his imperial governors, Tarkin, Pryce, etc oversee all the stuff that the Republic senate did. In about a year the entire senate will be dissolved to prevent further spread of Rebel influence. And we got plenty of political stuff you didn't mention, Mon Mothma, Leia, etc there's been a lot of talk about it. There's really nothing to show... Republic vs CIS was a political struggle. Empire vs Rebellion is not. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 17, 2017 22:29:49 GMT -5
They really need to show politics though... I know that was something about the prequels most people didn't like and is probably why they're staying away from it (besides the fact it's on a kids channel...). but without the politics, without seeing Coruscant, it's hard to get a sense of what the galaxy is really like at the time... like in TCW we saw how the Republic did things and the structure of the government. Just one episode in a political scene or one showing civilians of a planet, not just Rebels and Stormtroopers, would be enough. That's what I liked in season 1 and how it showed the citizens of Lothal and the Empire parade and whatnot. I don't think they need to show any more politics really, at this point the senate is basically just a symbol, it has no real purpose. Palpatine and his imperial governors, Tarkin, Pryce, etc oversee all the stuff that the Republic senate did. In about a year the entire senate will be dissolved to prevent further spread of Rebel influence. And we got plenty of political stuff you didn't mention, Mon Mothma, Leia, etc there's been a lot of talk about it. There's really nothing to show... Republic vs CIS was a political struggle. Empire vs Rebellion is not. Well... I guess... The real thing to show is the senate but probably too late at this point anyhow. But still I want deeper stuff... But that's probably too much to expect out of Rebels so hopefully the next show will be better |
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Post by Newan on Jun 17, 2017 22:48:46 GMT -5
Anyways if I were to rank all the episodes in the show like I did for TCW I would probably make it something like this. Tier 1 - Great Episodes, usually advance the plot/ characters very well and are overall near flawless. - Twilight of the Apprentice (S2) - 10/10 - Through Imperial Eyes (S3) - 10/10 - An Inside Man (S3) - 9.5/10 - Trials of the Darksaber (S3) - 9.5/10 - Twin Suns (S3) - 9/10 - Shroud of Darkness (S2) - 9/10 - The Honorable Ones (S2) - 9/10 - Zero Hour (S3) - 9/10 - The Siege of Lothal (S2) - 9/10 - Fire Across the Galaxy (S1) - 9/10 Tier 2 - Good and enjoyable episodes all round, usually have a lot of story relevance. - Hera's Heroes (S3) - 8.5/10 - The Last Battle (S3) - 8.5/10 - Legacy of Mandalore (S3) - 8.5/10 - Stealth Strike (S2) - 8.5/10 - Visions and Voices (S3) - 8.5/10 - Path of the Jedi (S1) - 8.5/10 - The Future of the Force (S2) - 8.5/10 - Ghosts of Geonosis (S3) - 8/10 - Holocrons of Fate (S3) - 8/10 - Idiots Array (S1) - 8/10 - Call to Action (S1) - 8/10 - Steps into Shadow (S3) - 8/10 - The Lost Commanders/ Relics of the Old Republic (S2) - 8/10 - A Princess of Lothal (S2) - 8/10 - The Protector of Concord Dawn (S2) - 8/10 - Imperial Supercommandos (S3) - 8/10 Tier 3 - Acceptable episodes with many good moments that are fun but not at the level of tier 1/2. Most are just side adventures or weaker character episodes but on a better level compared to the ones below. - Secret Cargo (S3) - 7.5/10 - Spark of Rebellion (S1) - 7.5/10 - Warhead (S3) - 7.5/10 - Empire Day (S1) - 7.5/10 - Breaking Ranks (S1) - 7.5/10 - Vision of Hope (S1) - 7.5/10 - The Antilles Extraction (S3) - 7/10 - Always Two There Are (S2) - 7/10 - Legacy (S2) - 7/10 - Rise of the Old Masters (S1) - 7/10 - Homecoming (S2) - 7/10 - Legends of the Lasat (S2) - 7/10 - Brothers of the Broken Horn (S2) - 7/10 - The Mystery of Chopper Base (S2) - 7/10 Tier 4 - Lackluster episodes, some entertaining moments but nothing special. - Gathering Forces (S1) - 6.5/10 - Droids in Distress (S1) - 6.5/10 - Fighter Flight (S1) - 6.5/10 - Wings of the Master (S2) - 6.5/10 - Rebel Resolve (S1) - 6/10 - Out of Darkness (S1) - 6/10 - The Forgotten Droid (S2) - 6/10 Tier 5 - These episodes are terrible and their creation is quite questionable in regards to the rest of the storyline. Little to no impact at all. - The Call (S2) - 5/10 - Blood Sisters (S2) - 5/10 - Double Agent Droid (S3) - 4/10 - The Wynkathu Job (S3) - 4/10 - Iron Squadron (S3) - 3/10 I think the lowest I gave on my Clone Wars rankings was a 4... of coruse I tend to judge seasons differently as well. Season 1 I didn't think anything was terribly bad because the overall quality was lower, same with TCW season 1. However the later seasons I tend to judge the bad/ major filler more harsh because there is a higher standard set by the good episodes. So Potato Kenbo what would you say of my list  I think Kenobi would disagree with some lol but I feel Tater may be similar mindset |
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Post by Newan on Jun 17, 2017 22:54:35 GMT -5
I don't think they need to show any more politics really, at this point the senate is basically just a symbol, it has no real purpose. Palpatine and his imperial governors, Tarkin, Pryce, etc oversee all the stuff that the Republic senate did. In about a year the entire senate will be dissolved to prevent further spread of Rebel influence. And we got plenty of political stuff you didn't mention, Mon Mothma, Leia, etc there's been a lot of talk about it. There's really nothing to show... Republic vs CIS was a political struggle. Empire vs Rebellion is not. Well... I guess... The real thing to show is the senate but probably too late at this point anyhow. But still I want deeper stuff... But that's probably too much to expect out of Rebels so hopefully the next show will be better Well the next show will probably be sequel era and I don't think it would be any different. The First Order and Resistance doesn't have too much political conflict. The First Order is basically just indoctrinated fanatics of Palpatines legacy. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jun 17, 2017 23:10:54 GMT -5
Don't really remember the episodes.. But I'd say you put the most decent ones in tier 1. Although I don't understand the hype around Trials of the Darksaber... 22 minute lightsaber duel with cringey Sabine... Character development sure I guess but I'd say it was a waste...
Actually I remember secret cargo being good... dumb title though
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Post by Newan on Jun 17, 2017 23:49:55 GMT -5
Don't really remember the episodes.. But I'd say you put the most decent ones in tier 1. Although I don't understand the hype around Trials of the Darksaber... 22 minute lightsaber duel with cringey Sabine... Character development sure I guess but I'd say it was a waste... Actually I remember secret cargo being good... dumb title though Trials had a great soundtrack and it had really good Kanan development as well who is a superior character, but Sabine was still the focus |
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Post by Pinda on Jun 18, 2017 6:49:56 GMT -5
They really need to show politics though... I know that was something about the prequels most people didn't like and is probably why they're staying away from it (besides the fact it's on a kids channel...). but without the politics, without seeing Coruscant, it's hard to get a sense of what the galaxy is really like at the time... like in TCW we saw how the Republic did things and the structure of the government. Just one episode in a political scene or one showing civilians of a planet, not just Rebels and Stormtroopers, would be enough. That's what I liked in season 1 and how it showed the citizens of Lothal and the Empire parade and whatnot. I think most people did not mind the politics in TCW. The political scenes had some great moments in them (mostly with Sheev). So there is really no reason to avoid them. |
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Post by Newan on Jun 18, 2017 11:51:18 GMT -5
They really need to show politics though... I know that was something about the prequels most people didn't like and is probably why they're staying away from it (besides the fact it's on a kids channel...). but without the politics, without seeing Coruscant, it's hard to get a sense of what the galaxy is really like at the time... like in TCW we saw how the Republic did things and the structure of the government. Just one episode in a political scene or one showing civilians of a planet, not just Rebels and Stormtroopers, would be enough. That's what I liked in season 1 and how it showed the citizens of Lothal and the Empire parade and whatnot. I think most people did not mind the politics in TCW. The political scenes had some great moments in them (mostly with Sheev). So there is really no reason to avoid them. There really is no reason have them in context with the show either. Palpatine trusts his subordinates (Vader. Tarkin, Thrawn) to get things done, he doesn't need to get involved now days. This era is not like TCW where politics are an integral part of the storyline, at least not the politics Kenobi is referring to, aka senate, Coruscant, etc |
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Post by Potato on Jun 20, 2017 23:08:22 GMT -5
I agree with all your ones in Tier 1. I think Twilight of the Apprentice is not only the best Rebels episode, but it's one of the best pieces of Star Wars animation in general. The only dumb part about that episode was the heli-sabers, but that's forgivable considering the excellence of the rest of it.
I think I'd have more episodes in Tier 3 and 4 though, and not as many in Tier 2. Idiot's Array is one that I thought was just alright... other than giving Lando a guest appearance (and introducing Azmorigan) it was mostly just a filler/slapstick episode.
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Post by Potato on Jun 20, 2017 23:11:02 GMT -5
I also see you have The Call as one of the worst ones. I actually didn't mind that episode, even though a lot of people don't and make fun of the space whales. I'd rank it above Out of Darkness and The Forgotten Droid. And I guess Rebel Resolve... that episode was kind of pointless. If I'm remembering correctly, it was the episode between Kanan's capture and Kanan's rescue in the finale, so that episode on its own wasn't very interesting. And I thin that can be applied to a lot of Rebels episode; they aren't super interesting on their own.
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Post by Newan on Jun 21, 2017 12:57:40 GMT -5
I also see you have The Call as one of the worst ones. I actually didn't mind that episode, even though a lot of people don't and make fun of the space whales. I'd rank it above Out of Darkness and The Forgotten Droid. And I guess Rebel Resolve... that episode was kind of pointless. If I'm remembering correctly, it was the episode between Kanan's capture and Kanan's rescue in the finale, so that episode on its own wasn't very interesting. And I thin that can be applied to a lot of Rebels episode; they aren't super interesting on their own. I found The Call to be kind of weird, and overall plot wise it certainly doesn't add much to the show. The other ones you mentioned, even Rebel Reaolve they advanced the plot slightly and like I mentioned I am a bit less critical on season 1 compared to the other seasons. I think the main reason for that is because pretty much every character in this show is a new character, which means even bad/ uninteresting episodes in season 1 we still get time with a character to establish them a bit more going forward. Now that argument could be made in the future episodes as well but it really isn't needed in the later seasons as much. I feel the same way about The Clone Wars season 1 as well, it's just a collection of short arcs that introduce pretty much every character but doesn't go into depth much. Hondo, Bane, Clones (Echo, Fives), pretty much everyone of the reoccurring Jedi get their own episodes in season 1 (Plo-Koon, Fisto, Aayla, Mace, Yoda). |
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Post by Newan on Jun 21, 2017 12:59:40 GMT -5
I agree with all your ones in Tier 1. I think Twilight of the Apprentice is not only the best Rebels episode, but it's one of the best pieces of Star Wars animation in general. The only dumb part about that episode was the heli-sabers, but that's forgivable considering the excellence of the rest of it. I think I'd have more episodes in Tier 3 and 4 though, and not as many in Tier 2. Idiot's Array is one that I thought was just alright... other than giving Lando a guest appearance (and introducing Azmorigan) it was mostly just a filler/slapstick episode. Yeah Idiots Array was kind of my own bias to the episode, I knew it should be in tier 3 really but I just loved having Lando in the show. Plus I kinda wanted another season 1 episode in the top 2 tiers and I felt like that was probably one of the better ones |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2017 3:56:05 GMT -5
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2017 3:56:23 GMT -5
From DF
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2017 3:59:22 GMT -5
This would have taken place before we actually see Bendu the first time in the season 3 premiere with Kanan
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Post by Newan on Sept 2, 2017 14:46:25 GMT -5
Season 4 starts October 16th I think that's the latest start yet but since this season is only 16 episodes they are probably trying to start it later and time it in a certain way
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Post by Newan on Sept 2, 2017 16:54:19 GMT -5
I think the chance of a Krennic cameo is high
I liked this trailer though, but I don't like the colorful helmets and chopper paint job and stuff
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Post by Kenbo on Sept 2, 2017 19:04:39 GMT -5
Chopper looks stupid too much shit is too colorful...
But good trailer as always....... Just wish the actual episodes had the same tone. But really hope they show Krennic that's honestly all I want.
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Post by Newan on Sept 2, 2017 19:34:47 GMT -5
Chopper looks stupid too much Potato Rules is too colorful... But good trailer as always....... Just wish the actual episodes had the same tone. But really hope they show Krennic that's honestly all I want. Probably will see Galen Erso as well, they have the planet from Rouge One, Krennic is mentioned and the Thrawn actor is the brother of Galen, so might be likely. I want an imperial centric episode like "Through Imperial Eyes" last season by have it be about Tarkin, Thrawn and Krennic, maybe Vader too. I think the animation at some parts looks a lot better this season as well, skin/ face animations still are kind of dull but they are acceptable. But the environment detail seems rather sharp and so do vehicles, idk |
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Post by Kenbo on Sept 4, 2017 18:45:46 GMT -5
better than the show nibba
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Post by Newan on Sept 22, 2017 1:50:26 GMT -5
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Rebels_Season_FourHalf the episode names have either been released or leaked, no descriptions but what's interesting to note is the fact that two episodes are listed every week for the first 4 weeks up until what we can presume is the mid season finale If this is to be believed, that's pretty awesome tbh, I hate 2 week gaps... on the other hand we will likely get a 2+ month break mid season, my guess is they are trying to give the new movie it's space in December, but perhaps they are also trying to line it up with the releases of the second half of those mini animations that's are to resume in October, also note that the wiki has rarely been wrong in the past.
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Post by Newan on Oct 2, 2017 20:36:31 GMT -5
 New poster, Sabine has new hair again lol but I like this one better... tbh I liked her all black hair the best when she was undercover |
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Post by Kenbo on Oct 3, 2017 4:59:58 GMT -5
Looks retarded
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I think Kenobi would disagree with some lol but I feel Tater may be similar mindset 
it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 