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Post by Newan on Jul 6, 2015 21:51:28 GMT -5
Okay so something that came to my mind recently but who did Anakin replace on the Jedi Council in episode 3?? It seems to me that the Jedi council votes on a new member when the previous one passes away or in extreme cases leaves the order/ gets expelled (Dooku left). But Anakin just got thrown on the council in ROTS as soon as he walked in so was there a vacant spot? Or did they just add him in as like a 13th member (to please the Chancellor perhaps) since a lot of the council was away in the outer rim sieges anyways.
A lot of people also say he wasn't ready to be on the council but who would have been a better choice? (If it wasn't just to please the Chancellor). After seeing him in TCW I'd say he earned it, he seemed to have a lot of influence anyways as the Republic poster boy so him being in on important decisions makes sense. The only other candidate I see is Aayla but she's still pretty young as well only like 6 years older then Anakin actually.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 6, 2015 21:53:53 GMT -5
Even Piell I think.
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Post by Newan on Jul 6, 2015 22:01:16 GMT -5
Guy died way earlier I think the master with the snake tail thing replaced Piell... |
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Post by Potato on Jul 6, 2015 22:21:03 GMT -5
Guy died way earlier I think the master with the snake tail thing replaced Piell... No, Oppo Rancisis had been on the council since before The Phantom Menace. As for who Anakin replaced, I'd assume that when a council member dies or retires their spot can be left empty for a while if a new member can't be immediately decided upon. So that spot could have been empty for a little while. So Anakin could have replaced Eeth Koth, Adi Gallia, Oppo Rancisis, or Depa Billaba since they weren't on the council in Revenge of the Sith (I think...). As for who could have been a better pick than Anakin, don't forget about Luminara. She probably would have been the best choice. Or Cin Drallig maybe. |
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Post by Potato on Jul 6, 2015 22:21:35 GMT -5
But the council and its composition has always really interested me. TCW sort of messed around with how we originally thought it to be though by changing around some original EU fates of jedi.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 6, 2015 23:51:42 GMT -5
Maybe Galia he replaced. Or maybe Eeth Koth dies in Season 7 or something.
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Post by Newan on Jul 6, 2015 23:56:31 GMT -5
Guy died way earlier I think the master with the snake tail thing replaced Piell... No, Oppo Rancisis had been on the council since before The Phantom Menace. As for who Anakin replaced, I'd assume that when a council member dies or retires their spot can be left empty for a while if a new member can't be immediately decided upon. So that spot could have been empty for a little while. So Anakin could have replaced Eeth Koth, Adi Gallia, Oppo Rancisis, or Depa Billaba since they weren't on the council in Revenge of the Sith (I think...). As for who could have been a better pick than Anakin, don't forget about Luminara. She probably would have been the best choice. Or Cin Drallig maybe. Drallig was the battle master of the order I don't think that role is allowed to be on the council in some ways they're actually above as the battle master is the most skilled duelist and actually trains a lot of the council members such as Anakin and Kenobi. I thought Luminara already was on the council by the time of ROTS? Pretty sure that other Zabrak the one that got cut down by Sidious replaced Eeth Koth and Adi was probably replaced by the one master of her species that dies in ROTS. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 6, 2015 23:58:56 GMT -5
Maybe Galia he replaced. Or maybe Eeth Koth dies in Season 7 or something. Koth has to die but they might not have shown it |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2015 0:04:11 GMT -5
But the council and its composition has always really interested me. TCW sort of messed around with how we originally thought it to be though by changing around some original EU fates of jedi. I agree it interests me as well, in TPM there's many Jedi you don't see on the council later on, pretty sure Jango killed one in the EU but the others you don't really know. It would have been cool if they had shown Dooku on the council in TPM. I want to know how members are chosen I mean did asshat Windu always get to call all the shots without getting other opinions? He just says stupid crap like you get to be in the council and you don't get to be master without asking anyone, I thought the point was to vote? I'd imagine it wouldn't even be a vote an they would have to come to a consensus. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 7, 2015 0:19:28 GMT -5
But the council and its composition has always really interested me. TCW sort of messed around with how we originally thought it to be though by changing around some original EU fates of jedi. I agree it interests me as well, in TPM there's many Jedi you don't see on the council later on, pretty sure Jango killed one in the EU but the others you don't really know. It would have been cool if they had shown Dooku on the council in TPM. I want to know how members are chosen I mean did asshat Windu always get to call all the shots without getting other opinions? He just says stupid crap like you get to be in the council and you don't get to be master without asking anyone, I thought the point was to vote? I'd imagine it wouldn't even be a vote an they would have to come to a consensus. Oh yeah, they should've had Dooku there and it could show him leaving. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2015 0:24:30 GMT -5
I agree it interests me as well, in TPM there's many Jedi you don't see on the council later on, pretty sure Jango killed one in the EU but the others you don't really know. It would have been cool if they had shown Dooku on the council in TPM. I want to know how members are chosen I mean did asshat Windu always get to call all the shots without getting other opinions? He just says stupid crap like you get to be in the council and you don't get to be master without asking anyone, I thought the point was to vote? I'd imagine it wouldn't even be a vote an they would have to come to a consensus. Oh yeah, they should've had Dooku there and it could show him leaving. I don't think showing him leaving is needed there was enough going on in that mess at the end, but just showing he was around could be cool |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2015 0:49:51 GMT -5
Pretty sure the council of ROTS consisted of:
Saesee Tinn
Plo Koon
Yoda
Mace Windu
Kid Adi Mundi
Kit Fisto
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Stass Allie
Agen Kolar
Shaak Ti
Coleman Kcaj
That's 11 members so there looks to be an opening but I'm not sure by who. Rancisis died before order 66 but in 19 BBY (the year of Order 66) so it's likely Anakin replaced him. Billabi apparently only served till 22 BBY according to the wiki.
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2015 0:57:42 GMT -5
Yeah Rancisis died just a few months before Order 66 has to be him. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_High_CouncilThe list is pretty hectic though hard to tell who replaced Piell but probably one of those no names that appeared on TCW for a brief time. Also I think Kit took over for Billaba, it's interesting |
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2015 10:56:20 GMT -5
Yeah Rancisis died just a few months before Order 66 has to be him. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_High_CouncilThe list is pretty hectic though hard to tell who replaced Piell but probably one of those no names that appeared on TCW for a brief time. Also I think Kit took over for Billaba, it's interesting Kit took over for Coleman Trebor I think (the dinosaur guy who Jango shot at the Battle of Geonosis). And I think Billaba originally was gone shortly after AOTC, but she was set to appear in some episodes of TCW soon, and we were getting to the end of the war there. Plus she's Kanan's master and she apparently was killed during Order 66, which means she was actually on the council in ROTS and just never appeared or she retired before her death. |
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2015 10:56:53 GMT -5
And Robot Chicken made Yarael Poof awesome.  |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2015 12:17:56 GMT -5
Yeah Rancisis died just a few months before Order 66 has to be him. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_High_CouncilThe list is pretty hectic though hard to tell who replaced Piell but probably one of those no names that appeared on TCW for a brief time. Also I think Kit took over for Billaba, it's interesting Kit took over for Coleman Trebor I think (the dinosaur guy who Jango shot at the Battle of Geonosis). And I think Billaba originally was gone shortly after AOTC, but she was set to appear in some episodes of TCW soon, and we were getting to the end of the war there. Plus she's Kanan's master and she apparently was killed during Order 66, which means she was actually on the council in ROTS and just never appeared or she retired before her death. What does Coleman mean? The dinosaur guy has the name and the squid thing in ROTS with the upside down eyes has it as well. Yeah actually you're right Billaba is mentioned in Dark Disciple as part of the council so we would have seen her then I guess. And yeah I forgot she's Kanans master  |
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2015 15:32:36 GMT -5
Kit took over for Coleman Trebor I think (the dinosaur guy who Jango shot at the Battle of Geonosis). And I think Billaba originally was gone shortly after AOTC, but she was set to appear in some episodes of TCW soon, and we were getting to the end of the war there. Plus she's Kanan's master and she apparently was killed during Order 66, which means she was actually on the council in ROTS and just never appeared or she retired before her death. What does Coleman mean? The dinosaur guy has the name and the squid thing in ROTS with the upside down eyes has it as well. Yeah actually you're right Billaba is mentioned in Dark Disciple as part of the council so we would have seen her then I guess. And yeah I forgot she's Kanans master IDK, I find it weird how two random background jedi are called Coleman. Trebor was named first and I think Coleman Kcaj got his crappy name because Kcaj is Jack backwards and the guy who designed him was named Jack Coleman or something (or maybe his son was, IDK, I just remember reading about it one time). |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2015 15:36:35 GMT -5
What does Coleman mean? The dinosaur guy has the name and the squid thing in ROTS with the upside down eyes has it as well. Yeah actually you're right Billaba is mentioned in Dark Disciple as part of the council so we would have seen her then I guess. And yeah I forgot she's Kanans master IDK, I find it weird how two random background jedi are called Coleman. Trebor was named first and I think Coleman Kcaj got his crappy name because Kcaj is Jack backwards and the guy who designed him was named Jack Coleman or something (or maybe his son was, IDK, I just remember reading about it one time). Odd,I thought it would mean something else like a rank or like a title of a planets nobility or something. It is weird though. Also according to Wookiepedia Dooku wa a never on the council which is also weird IMO |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Jul 7, 2015 16:20:17 GMT -5
Yeah Rancisis died just a few months before Order 66 has to be him. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_High_CouncilThe list is pretty hectic though hard to tell who replaced Piell but probably one of those no names that appeared on TCW for a brief time. Also I think Kit took over for Billaba, it's interesting Then i wonder why Billaba left. She isn't dead yet here, she's still training Kanan. Maybe that's the reason she left the order? To put full focus on him? Maybe she felt something in the force that he was going to be important some day. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 7, 2015 16:20:51 GMT -5
Pretty sure the council of ROTS consisted of: Saesee Tinn Plo Koon Yoda Mace Windu Kid Adi Mundi Kit Fisto Obi-Wan Kenobi Stass Allie Agen Kolar Shaak Ti Coleman Kcaj That's 11 members so there looks to be an opening but I'm not sure by who. Rancisis died before order 66 but in 19 BBY (the year of Order 66) so it's likely Anakin replaced him. Billabi apparently only served till 22 BBY according to the wiki. Wasn't Yaeral Poof on it too? I don't think he was in the AOTC council if he was that would be kind of weird since he's a Kaminoan I think... |
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2015 16:42:20 GMT -5
Yeah Rancisis died just a few months before Order 66 has to be him. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_High_CouncilThe list is pretty hectic though hard to tell who replaced Piell but probably one of those no names that appeared on TCW for a brief time. Also I think Kit took over for Billaba, it's interesting Then i wonder why Billaba left. She isn't dead yet here, she's still training Kanan. Maybe that's the reason she left the order? To put full focus on him? Maybe she felt something in the force that he was going to be important some day. I'm assuming she just retired. We've seen that council members can indeed retire (Jocasta Nu), plus I doubt they'd be forced to stay on until they die. She's still in the order, just not on the council. Pretty sure the council of ROTS consisted of: Saesee Tinn Plo Koon Yoda Mace Windu Kid Adi Mundi Kit Fisto Obi-Wan Kenobi Stass Allie Agen Kolar Shaak Ti Coleman Kcaj That's 11 members so there looks to be an opening but I'm not sure by who. Rancisis died before order 66 but in 19 BBY (the year of Order 66) so it's likely Anakin replaced him. Billabi apparently only served till 22 BBY according to the wiki. Wasn't Yaeral Poof on it too? I don't think he was in the AOTC council if he was that would be kind of weird since he's a Kaminoan I think... Yaerel Poof was only in The Phantom Menace. Actually, I think the main reason why him and Yaddle were cut out from AOTC was because they didn't want to use their puppets during the Battle of Geonosis (which is why you can't see Oppo Rancisis fighting there). |
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Post by Spidyyr on Jul 7, 2015 16:42:42 GMT -5
What does Coleman mean? The dinosaur guy has the name and the squid thing in ROTS with the upside down eyes has it as well. Yeah actually you're right Billaba is mentioned in Dark Disciple as part of the council so we would have seen her then I guess. And yeah I forgot she's Kanans master IDK, I find it weird how two random background jedi are called Coleman. Trebor was named first and I think Coleman Kcaj got his crappy name because Kcaj is Jack backwards and the guy who designed him was named Jack Coleman or something (or maybe his son was, IDK, I just remember reading about it one time). Well Trebor is Robert backwards. I think some special effects guy is named like Robb Coleman and he has a son named Jack. And I guess they went to the Ravi-Idej school of naming things. |
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2015 16:49:59 GMT -5
IDK, I find it weird how two random background jedi are called Coleman. Trebor was named first and I think Coleman Kcaj got his crappy name because Kcaj is Jack backwards and the guy who designed him was named Jack Coleman or something (or maybe his son was, IDK, I just remember reading about it one time). Well Trebor is Robert backwards. I think some special effects guy is named like Robb Coleman and he has a son named Jack. And I guess they went to the Ravi-Idej school of naming things. Ah, yeah, that's why then. |
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2015 16:50:38 GMT -5
Trebor actually works as a cool name though. Kcaj... not so much.
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2015 16:56:14 GMT -5
Shaak Ti replaced Yaddle, she was the last master to die before the Clone Wars. Poof died quite awhile before though.
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2015 16:57:52 GMT -5
I think Billaba just isn't on the council anymore in the new canon (cause of Rebels), if she was then that would make Anakin a 13th member as my list above already has 11 with Anakin replacing Oppo.
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2015 16:58:21 GMT -5
But she still died in order 66 and not at the temple I believe
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2015 16:58:43 GMT -5
We should take into mind that who replaced who was mostly EU stuff. I'm pretty sure Depa Billaba goes into some mortal coma or something in the EU and that's why she leaves the council. But in the new canon she's apparently fine throughout all of the Clone Wars.
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2015 17:02:25 GMT -5
We should take into mind that who replaced who was mostly EU stuff. I'm pretty sure Depa Billaba goes into some mortal coma or something in the EU and that's why she leaves the council. But in the new canon she's apparently fine throughout all of the Clone Wars. Still cant be on the council by the time of episode 3 I don't think. Also was Kcaj on coruscant at the time or was he transmitting from hologram? Everyone else on my list we see live (Yoda and Obi-Wan) or we see them die except Shaak Ti but I'm still going to go with Anakin probably kills her in the temple (cause of that vision Yoda had). |
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2015 17:04:09 GMT -5
We should take into mind that who replaced who was mostly EU stuff. I'm pretty sure Depa Billaba goes into some mortal coma or something in the EU and that's why she leaves the council. But in the new canon she's apparently fine throughout all of the Clone Wars. Still cant be on the council by the time of episode 3 I don't think. Also was Kcaj on coruscant at the time or was he transmitting from hologram? Everyone else on my list we see live (Yoda and Obi-Wan) or we see them die except Shaak Ti but I'm still going to go with Anakin probably kills her in the temple (cause of that vision Yoda had). No, she can't, so I think she probably just retired. Kcaj was a hologram during the beginning of ROTS I think... but he could have easily came back to Coruscant before Operation Knightfall. I'm assuming he just died in the temple. |
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