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Post by Star on Mar 30, 2014 21:08:07 GMT -5
Wait, let me get this straight. First you want to vote me. Then others say no because I should get a chance. You agree. Then they second guess themselves and you go back to wanting to vote me. Then they say again "no, let star stay". You still want me voted though, but when others keep saying that they shouldn't vote me, you sorta reconsider again. You're changing your mind a lot on this matter. It's almost like (just a theory here) that you're scum who wants to have me gone since I'd be an easy vote. But you're trying your best not to stand out since you wouldn't want to as scum and thus appear like you're reconsidering voting me. Hmmmmmm..... Ah, no. No one wanted to vote you in the first place. I disagreed with them, but they still don't (seem) to think its good enough evidence. And I'm not reconsidering anything. I still find you suspicious I always have. Can't I have two suspicions, those being you and Kenobi? And lol, yes. I'm definitely trying to not to stand out. Yup, you caught me. Nope. If I didn't want to stand out, I'd do as pretty much everyone else is doing, (except a few people) and not post at all. Hmmmmmmmm...... If I renewed correctly, you and a few others wanted to vote me. Then they changed their minds and you swayed with them after awhile. Then they go back briefly deciding if I would be a good vote and now you join back. Then they quickly decided I'm not a good vote, but you're still trying to push for me, but are trying to draw it out as long as possible. It seems to me like you really want to vote me but aren't for fear of being scrutinized. By standing out I mean not appearing completely oblivious to all other evidence. So you're sorta standing out. It's a moot anyway, so why argue it? And definitely*  |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 30, 2014 21:09:41 GMT -5
Yep I told you what I meant: repeating evidence already stated and evidence you are already aware of is pointless and a waste of space so I chose not to do so But no one had said Star was loyal in their eyes. Point me to one post in which someone says that, and I'll reconsider. So actually, the evidence had never been stated. It was implied and something you could infer Besides you obviously knew what I was talking about so what's the big deal? |
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Post by Star on Mar 30, 2014 21:10:39 GMT -5
That he always is eager, loyal or scum. Well if he's loyal or scum it makes no difference. The thing that holds me back about him is that he's so worried about getting voted off today. Yes, scum would do that, but he has been voted off the last two times in a row as a loyalist. If he was scum, I think he'd stay more quiet about it. That's the thing, I looked back at the discussion and I think it was his goal to say more quiet about it. He came in observing that no one had said anything, even though he wasn't helping either. When he was called on this, he said something about "quality over quantity" and after this didn't hold up came his excuse about having drank too much. I don't know, it just seemed like he panicked and tried to squash a full blown argument before it began. Look back on page 8 or so,if you want to see the argument he had. Yeah, I know, I think one of his first posts actually mentioned him laying low so he isn't voted. But why would he mention that as scum? To me it seems more like he's loyal and he's just trying to be overly cautious about not getting voted off so early again (which obviously backfired). In conclusion, I believe we should hold off on voting [Star.] OOC: And I don't think I'll be on for the next 5+ hours... guests are coming over. So we all agree Star is most likely loyal.. K. Does this refresh your memory, @darthbane101? |
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Post by Star on Mar 30, 2014 21:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 30, 2014 21:13:11 GMT -5
Oh btw if you think Star and I are defending each other, I'll let you know right now that I didn't ask to be defended and also I was expressing what I thought about Star... Just to make things clear..
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Post by Star on Mar 30, 2014 21:16:29 GMT -5
Oh btw if you think Star and I are defending each other, I'll let you know right now that I didn't ask to be defended and also I was expressing what I thought about Star... Just to make things clear.. I'm not trying to defend you either. Our accusations just go together kind of...  |
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Post by Star on Mar 30, 2014 21:18:17 GMT -5
Foom is starting to seem more suspicious to me. At first I thought he was loyal, but now...
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 21:19:45 GMT -5
Well if he's loyal or scum it makes no difference. The thing that holds me back about him is that he's so worried about getting voted off today. Yes, scum would do that, but he has been voted off the last two times in a row as a loyalist. If he was scum, I think he'd stay more quiet about it. Yeah, I know, I think one of his first posts actually mentioned him laying low so he isn't voted. But why would he mention that as scum? To me it seems more like he's loyal and he's just trying to be overly cautious about not getting voted off so early again (which obviously backfired). In conclusion, I believe we should hold off on voting [Star.] OOC: And I don't think I'll be on for the next 5+ hours... guests are coming over. So we all agree Star is most likely loyal.. K. Does this refresh your memory, @darthbane101? Sorry, but what is this supposed to mean? Are you pinpointing the person that Kenobi was following? Well Nam never said you are loyal, he said we should wait to vote you. There's a big difference. In truth, I think a lot of people want to give you a chance chiefly because of you being loyal these last few games, but I'm trying not to be influenced by that. |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 30, 2014 21:20:01 GMT -5
Oh btw if you think Star and I are defending each other, I'll let you know right now that I didn't ask to be defended and also I was expressing what I thought about Star... Just to make things clear.. I'm not trying to defend you either. Our accusations just go together kind of... Yeah sometimes people point that out and loyals are voted off... Foom is starting to seem more suspicious to me. At first I thought he was loyal, but now... So basically you think he's scum because he thinks you're scum.. |
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 21:22:07 GMT -5
Ah, no. No one wanted to vote you in the first place. I disagreed with them, but they still don't (seem) to think its good enough evidence. And I'm not reconsidering anything. I still find you suspicious I always have. Can't I have two suspicions, those being you and Kenobi? And lol, yes. I'm definitely trying to not to stand out. Yup, you caught me. Nope. If I didn't want to stand out, I'd do as pretty much everyone else is doing, (except a few people) and not post at all. Hmmmmmmmm...... If I renewed correctly, you and a few others wanted to vote me. Then they changed their minds and you swayed with them after awhile. Then they go back briefly deciding if I would be a good vote and now you join back. Then they quickly decided I'm not a good vote, but you're still trying to push for me, but are trying to draw it out as long as possible. It seems to me like you really want to vote me but aren't for fear of being scrutinized. By standing out I mean not appearing completely oblivious to all other evidence. So you're sorta standing out. It's a moot anyway, so why argue it? And definitely* So, who wanted to vote Star? Show of hands? Because to my knowledge I'm the only one that hasn't agreed with Potato and thought it was just you panicking. |
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Post by Star on Mar 30, 2014 21:22:10 GMT -5
I'm not trying to defend you either. Our accusations just go together kind of... Yeah sometimes people point that out and loyals are voted off... Foom is starting to seem more suspicious to me. At first I thought he was loyal, but now... So basically you think he's scum because he thinks you're scum.. No. He's: - changing opinion a lot - pushing for me a lot - attempts to consider other options but really doesn't So to me it seems that he wants me gone but is trying his best not to appear that way and as a result, half-heartedly consider other options. |
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 21:22:54 GMT -5
Foom is starting to seem more suspicious to me. At first I thought he was loyal, but now... K then. |
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Post by Star on Mar 30, 2014 21:22:57 GMT -5
Yeah sometimes people point that out and loyals are voted off... So basically you think he's scum because he thinks you're scum.. No. He's: - changing opinion a lot - pushing for me a lot - attempts to consider other options but really doesn't So to me it seems that he wants me gone but is trying his best not to appear that way and as a result, half-heartedly consider other options. Oh, and he seems to forget a lot of evidence that disproves what he says. |
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Post by Star on Mar 30, 2014 21:25:45 GMT -5
Does this refresh your memory, @darthbane101? Sorry, but what is this supposed to mean? Are you pinpointing the person that Kenobi was following? Well Nam never said you are loyal, he said we should wait to vote you. There's a big difference. In truth, I think a lot of people want to give you a chance chiefly because of you being loyal these last few games, but I'm trying not to be influenced by that. What do those first two sentences even mean? This is showing you that others thought I wasn't a good vote today and also showing that Kenobi wasn't forum ing a question, but rather a rhetorical statement. And lol, when Nam says wait, that means he thinks I'm considered loyal enough to stay for today. So, not as big a difference as you may think. |
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 21:27:23 GMT -5
Yeah sometimes people point that out and loyals are voted off... So basically you think he's scum because he thinks you're scum.. No. He's: - changing opinion a lot - pushing for me a lot - attempts to consider other options but really doesn't So to me it seems that he wants me gone but is trying his best not to appear that way and as a result, half-heartedly consider other options. 1: What do you mean, I change my opinion? I've suspected you for a long time, unlike people like Potato and Nam I might add. What do you think's the more scummy move, to agree with the masses or be the only one accusing you? 2: I "push" for anyone that I think is scum. I'm not the kind of person to timidly suggest a vote, I never have been. 3: Yeah, it's nice to assume you know my thought process. But in fact you have no idea what options I consider. |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 30, 2014 21:27:42 GMT -5
If nothing else comes up soon I'm seriously considering voting Bane.... But idk... He's probably thinking the same with me as well lol but neither of us have very good evidence..
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 21:28:40 GMT -5
Does this refresh your memory, @darthbane101? Sorry, but what is this supposed to mean? Are you pinpointing the person that Kenobi was following? Well Nam never said you are loyal, he said we should wait to vote you. There's a big difference. In truth, I think a lot of people want to give you a chance chiefly because of you being loyal these last few games, but I'm trying not to be influenced by that. No. He's: - changing opinion a lot - pushing for me a lot - attempts to consider other options but really doesn't So to me it seems that he wants me gone but is trying his best not to appear that way and as a result, half-heartedly consider other options. Oh, and he seems to forget a lot of evidence that disproves what he says. I didn't forget that, in fact I responded to it. Please read it.  |
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 21:30:17 GMT -5
If nothing else comes up soon I'm seriously considering voting Bane.... But idk... He's probably thinking the same with me as well lol but neither of us have very good evidence.. Star is starting to seem more suspicious to me. At first I thought he was loyal, but now... |
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Post by Star on Mar 30, 2014 21:32:32 GMT -5
No. He's: - changing opinion a lot - pushing for me a lot - attempts to consider other options but really doesn't So to me it seems that he wants me gone but is trying his best not to appear that way and as a result, half-heartedly consider other options. 1: What do you mean, I change my opinion? I've suspected you for a long time, unlike people like Potato and Nam I might add. What do you think's the more scummy move, to agree with the masses or be the only one accusing you? 2: I "push" for anyone that I think is scum. I'm not the kind of person to timidly suggest a vote, I never have been. 3: Yeah, it's nice to assume you know my thought process. But in fact you have no idea what options I consider. 1. You've gone from definitely wanting to vote me to unsure and now back to definite. That's changing opinion. You've also added Kenobi as a suspect. And lol, you think you're the only one accusing me. If I remember correctly, Nam and Potato said something about me before you did. You supported them, which can be considered following if you want. So that's kind of invalid... 2. This is true, but why push for me so much more than Kenobi? I thought we were equally suspicious in your eyes. 3. I know, but based on what you've posted, that's what I've gathered. And that's what'll be used as evidence. Not thoughts you have that aren't posted and therefore can be completely true or made up. So I'm right. Based on what you've posted, it seems that you barely consider other options. |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 30, 2014 21:32:35 GMT -5
If nothing else comes up soon I'm seriously considering voting Bane.... But idk... He's probably thinking the same with me as well lol but neither of us have very good evidence.. Star is starting to seem more suspicious to me. At first I thought he was loyal, but now... He's always like that but you're always like this.... So I think the same evidence you have against him can be used against you... And since his defense is the same as yours.... Well this is awkward isn't it.. |
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Post by Star on Mar 30, 2014 21:33:54 GMT -5
If nothing else comes up soon I'm seriously considering voting Bane.... But idk... He's probably thinking the same with me as well lol but neither of us have very good evidence.. Star is starting to seem more suspicious to me. At first I thought he was loyal, but now... Is this your attempt at humor? I honestly thought you were loyal at first. I even defended you around page 10. But like I said, you are really leaning on voting me or Kenobi |
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 21:34:05 GMT -5
I'll be back in about 15 mins.
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 21:50:56 GMT -5
1: What do you mean, I change my opinion? I've suspected you for a long time, unlike people like Potato and Nam I might add. What do you think's the more scummy move, to agree with the masses or be the only one accusing you? 2: I "push" for anyone that I think is scum. I'm not the kind of person to timidly suggest a vote, I never have been. 3: Yeah, it's nice to assume you know my thought process. But in fact you have no idea what options I consider. 1. You've gone from definitely wanting to vote me to unsure and now back to definite. That's changing opinion. You've also added Kenobi as a suspect. And lol, you think you're the only one accusing me. If I remember correctly, Nam and Potato said something about me before you did. You supported them, which can be considered following if you want. So that's kind of invalid... 2. This is true, but why push for me so much more than Kenobi? I thought we were equally suspicious in your eyes. 3. I know, but based on what you've posted, that's what I've gathered. And that's what'll be used as evidence. Not thoughts you have that aren't posted and therefore can be completely true or made up. So I'm right. Based on what you've posted, it seems that you barely consider other options. 1: I still want to vote you, and I probably will. I just noticed something odd about me and Kenobi's conversation after it happened, and I shared what I thought. And it's possible that they might have made a post or two about something like that, but they just as soon dismissed it. I thought you were still suspicious, even after they'd reconsidered. 2: Well, do you find him suspicious? He hasn't really done much to change my opinion, while you on the other hand have made yourself look more suspicious in my eyes. 3: If I "barely consider other options," I wouldn't have thought anything of Kenobi's odd conversation, and would have probably already voted for you. So really, I'm being open minded and are considering other options. |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 30, 2014 22:03:04 GMT -5
I have to leave now so I'd prefer to be able to give a defense if anyone wants to vote me...
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 22:04:30 GMT -5
I have to leave now so I'd prefer to be able to give a defense if anyone wants to vote me... I don't think I will be. At least not today. |
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Post by Malgus on Mar 30, 2014 22:18:40 GMT -5
My thoughts on a few people:
[STAR] I'm ready to give him the benefit of the doubt, but really that's only because he's been panicky lately and still been loyal. He's been protecting Kenobi to some extent, but he's already answered this as being related to defending himself. I think.
[KENOBI] Bane's evidence against him makes some sense. It was about some saying that they would wait until next day and give Star a chance, and Kenobi referring this to Bane as evidence as to why Star could be LOYAL. Bane said that this wasn't a reason as to why people thought Star was loyal, but simply why they wouldn't vote him today. He doesn't think it's the same thing I guess.
[BANE] Idk what to think... some of his evidence makes sense, but he seems even more pushy than usual. He doesn't seem to consider whether after being loyal the last two games, that maybe Star could be loyal this time to. He just sees evidence and pounces. He acts like this a lot, but it's a little strange.
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Post by red on Mar 30, 2014 22:23:32 GMT -5
Finally some real discussion...
I think that both Foom and (Star) are probably both confused loyals. As shown in earlier games, (Star) gets desperate after he is suspected.
Foom is a really confrontational player and this seems pretty normal. If he finds someone who he suspects he gets very argumentative.
I have noticed that (Kenobi) has been doing some hiding behind (Potato), (Star), and Idis...
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Post by red on Mar 30, 2014 22:30:22 GMT -5
Finally some real discussion... I think that both Foom and (Star) are probably both confused loyals. As shown in earlier games, (Star) gets desperate after he is suspected. Foom is a really confrontational player and this seems pretty normal. If he finds someone who he suspects he gets very argumentative. I have noticed that (Kenobi) has been doing some hiding behind (Potato), (Star), and Idis... But most likely I will not vote for him because that isn't too great of evidence... |
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 22:44:23 GMT -5
VOTE: JEEGA TUA'JA (Star)
He comes bursting in, saying that there's been no discussion even thought he hasn't contributed at all, really. When he was called on this, he said it was "quality over quantity," and said that he had been helping while Potato hadn't been. He'd made like five posts, and they were all roleplay. When he still wasn't off the hook in a few people's minds, he tells everyone to "forget it," and that his drink was too strong or something. I don't know about anyone else, but it seemed that he was trying to squash a discussion before one even started. To try to get out of the spotlight. Because that's usually how scum act. He also pledged not to get voted off today, and as of right now I think this was probably an excuse for trying to drop the argument when it wasn't going his way. He continued to remind everyone how he panics every game, and that's one of the reasons why I think he's so suspicious. Then, when things get desperate, he starts accusing me of pushing for him a lot, (I "push for people every time... Two can play the game of OOC defense) not considering any other options, (I've considered Kenoni as a vote a lot, actually, he just doesn't above as much evidence against him as I think you do) and other desperate things like that. He just seems to be the best choice to me. So make your own decision, but this is what I'm doing. To me, there's no better options, and since no one else has shared their suspicions or really said anything, what am I supposed to do?
Sorry Star if you're really loyal.
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Post by bane on Mar 30, 2014 22:46:32 GMT -5
My thoughts on a few people: [STAR] I'm ready to give him the benefit of the doubt, but really that's only because he's been panicky lately and still been loyal. He's been protecting Kenobi to some extent, but he's already answered this as being related to defending himself. I think. [KENOBI] Bane's evidence against him makes some sense. It was about some saying that they would wait until next day and give Star a chance, and Kenobi referring this to Bane as evidence as to why Star could be LOYAL. Bane said that this wasn't a reason as to why people thought Star was loyal, but simply why they wouldn't vote him today. He doesn't think it's the same thing I guess. [BANE] Idk what to think... some of his evidence makes sense, but he seems even more pushy than usual. He doesn't seem to consider whether after being loyal the last two games, that maybe Star could be loyal this time to. He just sees evidence and pounces. He acts like this a lot, but it's a little strange. I've considered it, that's exactly why I've waited so long to vote. And I'm always what people like to call "pushy," I'm never very tentative. That's just sort of a fact. |
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