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Post by Pinda on Mar 7, 2014 17:41:23 GMT -5
Here the Order 66 arc can be discussed. Spoilers for other arcs are not allowed!
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Post by Potato on Mar 7, 2014 19:16:50 GMT -5
Great arc. Fives' and Tup's deaths were predictable, but still sad.  I really felt bad for Fives. He basically had no one that believed him and was on his side in the end. But AC was hilarious, he was awesome, and him and Fives made a great team.  I love how the medical facility was the same one where Anakin was transformed into Darth Vader in ROTS. Also, updated clone pilots! Well, at least for some scenes. |
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Post by Potato on Mar 7, 2014 21:09:21 GMT -5
Oh, and why wasn't Jesse in this arc? You would have thought him and Fives would be close after what happened on Umbara. I think it would have been better if Fives talked to him in that bar other than Kicks.
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Post by Newan on Mar 7, 2014 21:14:35 GMT -5
Unknown: 10/10
Conspiracy: 9/10
Fugitive: 9/10
Orders 10/10
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Post by Newan on Mar 7, 2014 21:16:00 GMT -5
Great arc. Fives' and Tup's deaths were predictable, but still sad. I really felt bad for Fives. He basically had no one that believed him and was on his side in the end. But AC was hilarious, he was awesome, and him and Fives made a great team. I love how the medical facility was the same one where Anakin was transformed into Darth Vader in ROTS. Also, updated clone pilots! Well, at least for some scenes. The med centre was really cool and how Fives was still in the same position Vader and I thought Fives dying was a lot more sad then Ahsoka leaving the order.... |
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Post by Potato on Mar 7, 2014 21:55:52 GMT -5
I think one of the best lines of this arc was "I wish I could have human feelings.... but I don't, goodbye."  |
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Post by Newan on Mar 7, 2014 21:59:33 GMT -5
I think one of the best lines of this arc was "I wish I could have human feelings.... but I don't, goodbye." Yeah the droid was cool and I pointed that line out on the NR it was one of my favourites today  |
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Post by Potato on Mar 7, 2014 22:06:45 GMT -5
Also, Fives is officially smarter than the entire jedi order combined.
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Post by Newan on Mar 7, 2014 22:36:29 GMT -5
Also, Fives is officially smarter than the entire jedi order combined. Well it's been pretty evident since well probably the Phantom Menace that the Jedi of this era are complete idiots... |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 7, 2014 22:43:21 GMT -5
Also, Fives is officially smarter than the entire jedi order combined. Well it's been pretty evident since well probably the Phantom Menace that the Jedi of this era are complete idiots... There's only one guy in the galaxy with a chin that big..... |
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Post by Potato on Mar 7, 2014 23:37:50 GMT -5
Do you guys think Fives' craziness in Orders was from the drug Nala Se put into him in the beginning, or do you think he really was going crazy without the chip?
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Post by Potato on Mar 7, 2014 23:38:22 GMT -5
Also, I swear Sidious called Dooku "Count Tyrannous" in one of these episodes...
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Post by Newan on Mar 7, 2014 23:45:47 GMT -5
Do you guys think Fives' craziness in Orders was from the drug Nala Se put into him in the beginning, or do you think he really was going crazy without the chip? I think he was being more like how he was supposed to be in copy of Jango without the chip. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 8, 2014 9:25:20 GMT -5
Great arc. Fives' and Tup's deaths were predictable, but still sad. I really felt bad for Fives. He basically had no one that believed him and was on his side in the end. But AC was hilarious, he was awesome, and him and Fives made a great team. I love how the medical facility was the same one where Anakin was transformed into Darth Vader in ROTS. Also, updated clone pilots! Well, at least for some scenes. Actually *puts on nerd glasses* that wasn't the same room where Anakin was operated but it was the same building I thought it was the same room at first too but then i read the trivia on StarWars.Com |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 8, 2014 9:28:10 GMT -5
Also, Fives is officially smarter than the entire jedi order combined. Well, apparently it doesn't take much to be smarter than the Jedi council... |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 8, 2014 9:29:30 GMT -5
Do you guys think Fives' craziness in Orders was from the drug Nala Se put into him in the beginning, or do you think he really was going crazy without the chip? Neither. He was panicking and trying to contain so much information and reveals he was frustrated while hunted by both sides at the same time. He also needed to convince everyone about Sidious and Order 66 but he knew he couldn't do it without working himself into more and more trouble eventually. It was a situation that frustrated him and there was no light and no one would believe him This is a horrible place to be in, knowing so much that can change everything, yet no one to believe you and having no time to explain it or the possibility to explain it in a normal fashion. everything was against him, and that would freak out, frustrate and anger everyone until the breaking point. Wich in this case, was Fives's death. |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 8, 2014 9:30:51 GMT -5
Do you guys think Fives' craziness in Orders was from the drug Nala Se put into him in the beginning, or do you think he really was going crazy without the chip? Or maybe it was a combination of the drug and all the weird confusing stuff that was happening to him. I don't think it was the chip. That's what Sidious wanted everyone to think though... |
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Post by Pinda on Mar 8, 2014 9:31:22 GMT -5
Do you guys think Fives' craziness in Orders was from the drug Nala Se put into him in the beginning, or do you think he really was going crazy without the chip? I think he was being more like how he was supposed to be in copy of Jango without the chip. Jango Fett wasn't crazy though. |
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Post by Newan on Mar 8, 2014 9:55:31 GMT -5
I think he was being more like how he was supposed to be in copy of Jango without the chip. Jango Fett wasn't crazy though. Not what I meant |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 8, 2014 10:02:17 GMT -5
Do you guys think Fives' craziness in Orders was from the drug Nala Se put into him in the beginning, or do you think he really was going crazy without the chip? Or maybe it was a combination of the drug and all the weird confusing stuff that was happening to him. I don't think it was the chip. That's what Sidious wanted everyone to think though... I couldn't be the chip because he had it removed. I left an explenation why Fives acted like he did a few comments up. |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 8, 2014 10:07:47 GMT -5
Do you guys think Fives' craziness in Orders was from the drug Nala Se put into him in the beginning, or do you think he really was going crazy without the chip? I think the drug only disoriented him but he probably went crazy from all the stress... I mean everyone in his Domino squad was killed and Tup died as well and for a while he was able to keep things together but when he realized he was pretty much alone and there was no one who would believe him and no one he could trust it just added to his stress and yeah... But I think the inhibitor chip also had something to do with it. When Nala Se said without the chip clones were more aggressive it was probably true to some extent.. And I guess the chip kind of controlled everything but without it and also combined with everything else in Fives' life he went crazy |
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 8, 2014 11:17:13 GMT -5
Lol Commander Doom... Commander Thorn... TCW people must really like Marvel...
They must also really like using the Commander Fox model for all their made up Commanders..
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 8, 2014 15:56:39 GMT -5
In "The Unknown" when the droids take the shuttle and the anti-gravity scene kicks in pay attention to the clone entirely on the top of the screen.
His head gets ripped off by a droid and there is a small flow of blood following it.
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Post by Potato on Mar 8, 2014 16:07:09 GMT -5
Do you guys think Fives' craziness in Orders was from the drug Nala Se put into him in the beginning, or do you think he really was going crazy without the chip? Neither. He was panicking and trying to contain so much information and reveals he was frustrated while hunted by both sides at the same time. He also needed to convince everyone about Sidious and Order 66 but he knew he couldn't do it without working himself into more and more trouble eventually. It was a situation that frustrated him and there was no light and no one would believe him This is a horrible place to be in, knowing so much that can change everything, yet no one to believe you and having no time to explain it or the possibility to explain it in a normal fashion. everything was against him, and that would freak out, frustrate and anger everyone until the breaking point. Wich in this case, was Fives's death. I think the drug or the inhibitor chip caused part of it though. The drug obviously made him a bit delusional and I think the Kaminoans were at least partly telling the truth about the chip. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 8, 2014 17:23:37 GMT -5
Neither. He was panicking and trying to contain so much information and reveals he was frustrated while hunted by both sides at the same time. He also needed to convince everyone about Sidious and Order 66 but he knew he couldn't do it without working himself into more and more trouble eventually. It was a situation that frustrated him and there was no light and no one would believe him This is a horrible place to be in, knowing so much that can change everything, yet no one to believe you and having no time to explain it or the possibility to explain it in a normal fashion. everything was against him, and that would freak out, frustrate and anger everyone until the breaking point. Wich in this case, was Fives's death. I think the drug or the inhibitor chip caused part of it though. The drug obviously made him a bit delusional and I think the Kaminoans were at least partly telling the truth about the chip. I have just finished watching the arc again. The Kaminoans were not telling the truth at all. The lesser agression is just a lie, they know full well what the chip does as you can see in Lama Su and Nala Se's first tranmissions to Dooku. Dooku calls it a 'safety measure' incase the Jedi turn. Again, the chip didn't cause any effects on Fives, remember, it was removed. Second, the Drug made him weak and confused wich added up to his level of frustration and desperation as i said earlier. Everything Fives did was justified, only no one believed him and he couldn't do anything without being afraid of getting caught or killed. It was a most dire situation that would put anyone on edge. You know that feeling when you tell the truth and no one believes you? Now multiple this by a hundred. That was perfectly displayed here (especially in Orders) because not only did Fives discover a hidden chip in all clones, he also disovered Sidious's identity and everything about his plans and Order 66. He was put on edge and was forced to the breaking point. Everything is deeper then you might think. Just think of it, Fives could have saved the entire galaxy an age of the Empire wich makes his death all the more tragic. It was perfectly done and one of the saddest and most tragic deaths on any TV shows and Film ever because of the heavy weight it carries. |
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Post by Potato on Mar 8, 2014 17:27:44 GMT -5
I think the drug or the inhibitor chip caused part of it though. The drug obviously made him a bit delusional and I think the Kaminoans were at least partly telling the truth about the chip. I have just finished watching the arc again. The Kaminoans were not telling the truth at all. The lesser agression is just a lie, they know full well what the chip does as you can see in Lama Su and Nala Se's first tranmissions to Dooku. Dooku calls it a 'safety measure' incase the Jedi turn. Again, the chip didn't cause any effects on Fives, remember, it was removed. Second, the Drug made him weak and confused wich added up to his level of frustration and desperation as i said earlier. Everything Fives did was justified, only no one believed him and he couldn't do anything without being afraid of getting caught or killed. It was a most dire situation that would put anyone on edge. You know that feeling when you tell the truth and no one believes you? Now multiple this by a hundred. That was perfectly displayed here (especially in Orders) because not only did Fives discover a hidden chip in all clones, he also disovered Sidious's identity and everything about his plans and Order 66. He was put on edge and was forced to the breaking point. Everything is deeper then you might think. Just think of it, Fives could have saved the entire galaxy an age of the Empire wich makes his death all the more tragic. It was perfectly done and one of the saddest and most tragic deaths on any TV shows and Film ever because of the heavy weight it carries. I'm pretty sure the ship did affect them a bit. As Newan said, it kept them less aggressive compared to Jango Fett (that was even mentioned in AOTC I think). I think it possibly could have got to his head after being out for a while. Maybe not that, but the drug Nala Se put into him definitely affected him. It made him more confused and disoriented and not able to take in his surroundings well. Otherwise it would have been pointless. I think it definitely messed with his head during Orders and caused his craziness. Yes, he was stressed that no one believed him, but the drug added to that by a lot. |
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Post by Newan on Mar 8, 2014 17:30:19 GMT -5
In "The Unknown" when the droids take the shuttle and the anti-gravity scene kicks in pay attention to the clone entirely on the top of the screen. His head gets ripped off by a droid and there is a small flow of blood following it. I will then I was planning on rewatching the order 66 arc tonight. I already watched Yoda arc again today. Maybe I'll watch the Clovis one as well again tonight. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 8, 2014 17:47:19 GMT -5
I have just finished watching the arc again. The Kaminoans were not telling the truth at all. The lesser agression is just a lie, they know full well what the chip does as you can see in Lama Su and Nala Se's first tranmissions to Dooku. Dooku calls it a 'safety measure' incase the Jedi turn. Again, the chip didn't cause any effects on Fives, remember, it was removed. Second, the Drug made him weak and confused wich added up to his level of frustration and desperation as i said earlier. Everything Fives did was justified, only no one believed him and he couldn't do anything without being afraid of getting caught or killed. It was a most dire situation that would put anyone on edge. You know that feeling when you tell the truth and no one believes you? Now multiple this by a hundred. That was perfectly displayed here (especially in Orders) because not only did Fives discover a hidden chip in all clones, he also disovered Sidious's identity and everything about his plans and Order 66. He was put on edge and was forced to the breaking point. Everything is deeper then you might think. Just think of it, Fives could have saved the entire galaxy an age of the Empire wich makes his death all the more tragic. It was perfectly done and one of the saddest and most tragic deaths on any TV shows and Film ever because of the heavy weight it carries. I'm pretty sure the ship did affect them a bit. As Newan said, it kept them less aggressive compared to Jango Fett (that was even mentioned in AOTC I think). I think it possibly could have got to his head after being out for a while. Maybe not that, but the drug Nala Se put into him definitely affected him. It made him more confused and disoriented and not able to take in his surroundings well. Otherwise it would have been pointless. I think it definitely messed with his head during Orders and caused his craziness. Yes, he was stressed that no one believed him, but the drug added to that by a lot. Like you said (and i have been saying) the drug did affect him but did not cause his craziness. The drug was there for the disorientation wich, added with all the information he just discovered leveled up the frustration and confusing. What he heard in that room was the most groundbreaking information any being could ever here. Fives had the potential to change the fate of the entire galaxy, but he had everything against him, including the drug that weakened. The drug was more an annoyance then an actual trouble causer, but an important aspect none the less. The drug, combined with what he was framed for and his frustration and knowledge of events made his speech also a bit weary even for those he loved. This is probably the most tragic death in the show ever. Fives knew everything, literally everything, and he died sharing nothing :'( |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Mar 8, 2014 17:48:53 GMT -5
In "The Unknown" when the droids take the shuttle and the anti-gravity scene kicks in pay attention to the clone entirely on the top of the screen. His head gets ripped off by a droid and there is a small flow of blood following it. I will then I was planning on rewatching the order 66 arc tonight. I already watched Yoda arc again today. Maybe I'll watch the Clovis one as well again tonight. I still need to watch the final two episodes of the Yoda Arc but all the audio is out of synch on Episodes 8,9,10,11 and 12 so i am currently working on restoring the audio synching and trying to keep the HD qaulity intact. |
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Post by Newan on Mar 8, 2014 17:50:07 GMT -5
I will then I was planning on rewatching the order 66 arc tonight. I already watched Yoda arc again today. Maybe I'll watch the Clovis one as well again tonight. I still need to watch the final two episodes of the Yoda Arc but all the audio is out of synch on Episodes 8,9,10,11 and 12 so i am currently working on restoring the audio synching and trying to keep the HD qaulity intact. The last episode of the Yoda arc was really good though the 1st one was IMO the best. |
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I really felt bad for Fives. He basically had no one that believed him and was on his side in the end. But AC was hilarious, he was awesome, and him and Fives made a great team. 
I love how the medical facility was the same one where Anakin was transformed into Darth Vader in ROTS.
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