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Post by Newan on Jan 21, 2015 19:48:26 GMT -5
Idk I just think. Luke would our smart her. Ventress battles never seemed too impressive to me. ROTJ Luke didn't seem *that* smart... I agree with you that Jedi Master Luke could probably defeat her as she was in TCW, but not ROTJ Luke. He's basically the same experience level as Ahsoka was, but at least Ahsoka's training had battles plus she lived her life in the Temple. Well Jedi Master Luke is considered the best jedi by many people who know much more about the EU and stuff then us  I think Luke's abilities may be greater then Ahsokas tbh. And I think Luke could adapt to fighting 2 lightsabers he seems similar to Anakin where he could quickly learn. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 21, 2015 19:51:19 GMT -5
Remember that Luke had a few weeks of training in ESB, then went a year or so (between ROTJ and ESB) with no actual master to train with. Ventress trained with Ky Narec for at least 7+ years, then had training under Dooku for another few years. She's way more experienced. Luke is still greatly improved compared to ESB. Plus he was kinda considered a jedi knight and Yoda seemed to have confidence that he could defeat Vader in ROTJ. I think he greatly improved himself on his own. I'm sure Obi-Wan left stuff behind at his house and stuff besides a lightsaber that could help Luke. |
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Post by Star on Jan 21, 2015 20:15:24 GMT -5
Pretty close. Ventress is quicker and more agile. Luke is probably a little stronger in the Force. Ventress fights a lot and therefore has a lot of experience. Luke was able to defeat Vader (arguable) while Ventress didn't really kill anyone as good as her. However, I feel that Ventress is skilled enough with a saber (2 to be exact), fast enough to be aggressive to Luke without losing, and strong enough in the Force to do more to Luke than he is to her. Her experience mainly lets her win this fight for me. If you were to give Luke another year or two of good training, he'd defeat her with no problem.
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Post by Star on Jan 21, 2015 20:18:00 GMT -5
It could go either way almost, but the fact that Ventress has proven herself able to fight Kenobi, Skywalker, Dooku, Grievous, and others and not die is pretty impressive. In fact, I think that Dooku during TCW was probably nearly equal to Vader in ROTS. But then you could always argue budget and limited technology made Luke, Vader, and the rest of the OT cast look weaker than they really were compared to PT characters... I still say Ventress though. |
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Post by Namialus on Jan 21, 2015 20:40:47 GMT -5
Remember that Luke had a few weeks of training in ESB, then went a year or so (between ROTJ and ESB) with no actual master to train with. Ventress trained with Ky Narec for at least 7+ years, then had training under Dooku for another few years. She's way more experienced. Luke is still greatly improved compared to ESB. Plus he was kinda considered a jedi knight and Yoda seemed to have confidence that he could defeat Vader in ROTJ. I think he greatly improved himself on his own. I'm sure Obi-Wan left stuff behind at his house and stuff besides a lightsaber that could help Luke. He could defeat Vader because he was his father. Vader would not bring himself to kill Luke. That's why Luke was the only one who could stop Vader (or Leia) - not because he was the last Jedi but because he was the Dark Lord's son. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 21, 2015 21:54:27 GMT -5
Luke is still greatly improved compared to ESB. Plus he was kinda considered a jedi knight and Yoda seemed to have confidence that he could defeat Vader in ROTJ. I think he greatly improved himself on his own. I'm sure Obi-Wan left stuff behind at his house and stuff besides a lightsaber that could help Luke. He could defeat Vader because he was his father. Vader would not bring himself to kill Luke. That's why Luke was the only one who could stop Vader (or Leia) - not because he was the last Jedi but because he was the Dark Lord's son. I don't think Yoda would have knew that... Vader did kill all the jedi and Padme. And there's no way Leia could have stopped him she would have never had training if Luke didn't succeed. |
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Post by Namialus on Jan 21, 2015 21:59:36 GMT -5
He could defeat Vader because he was his father. Vader would not bring himself to kill Luke. That's why Luke was the only one who could stop Vader (or Leia) - not because he was the last Jedi but because he was the Dark Lord's son. I don't think Yoda would have knew that... Vader did kill all the jedi and Padme. And there's no way Leia could have stopped him she would have never had training if Luke didn't succeed. Yoda would know that Anakin's weakness is Padme. Luke and Leia are Padme's children. He wouldn't hurt them. I meant that Leia could have had the same role as Luke if she had gotten his training. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 21, 2015 22:32:33 GMT -5
I don't think Yoda would have knew that... Vader did kill all the jedi and Padme. And there's no way Leia could have stopped him she would have never had training if Luke didn't succeed. Yoda would know that Anakin's weakness is Padme. Luke and Leia are Padme's children. He wouldn't hurt them. I meant that Leia could have had the same role as Luke if she had gotten his training. That's probably just a thought there's no way he would know that since he did after all kill her... Leia would probably be more expendable to Vader Id bet he would have used her to lure Luke to the darkside given the chance. He didn't actually know that was his daughter I think he really just guessed and Luke's reaction confirmed it. |
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Post by Potato on Jan 22, 2015 0:08:26 GMT -5
Everyone's already listed all of the reasons. Ventress.
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Post by Newan on Jan 22, 2015 1:00:22 GMT -5
Poll up. I have some new decent matches to use but if a mod wants to put one up that's fine. Or if someone wants to suggest one later.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jan 22, 2015 3:03:01 GMT -5
I'm going with Luke. It'd be one heck of a close fight, but I just feel Luke would have the edge over Ventress,
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 22, 2015 6:37:20 GMT -5
Uh yeah Luke has like one week of training compared to the years Ventress has... I don't see why people say Luke is that powerful lol he really wasn't at least not in the movies |
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Post by ?6 (CBK) on Jan 25, 2015 13:45:12 GMT -5
Glad Ventress won  Is this round over? |
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Post by Newan on Jan 25, 2015 13:46:53 GMT -5
Glad Ventress won Is this round over? Yeah I'll do a new one later unless another mod wants to make one. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 23, 2015 17:35:02 GMT -5
Obi-Wan (ROTS), Nahdar Vebb, Ezra and Kanan v.s Ahsoka (Rebels) and Anakin (TCW)
Who wins?
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Post by Pinda on Dec 23, 2015 18:00:05 GMT -5
Obi-Wan (ROTS), Nahdar Vebb, Ezra and Kanan v.s Ahsoka (Rebels) and Anakin (TCW) Who wins? Ezra, Kanan and Vebb are all useless. So it's basically Anakin and Ahsoka vs Obi-wan... Obi-wan loses. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2015 18:01:54 GMT -5
Obi-Wan (ROTS), Nahdar Vebb, Ezra and Kanan v.s Ahsoka (Rebels) and Anakin (TCW) Who wins? We should mayb do this again, to bad nobody really knows EU here except like us Well we know Obi-Wan has Anakin beat, his defensive Soresu beats Anakin's aggresive Shien. Obi-Wan is also considered the greatest practitioner of that form as well. Kanan, Ezra, Nahdar together is probably enough to hold Ahsoka off for awhile but even if it came down to Kenobi vs the two of them then he still has a good chance |
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 23, 2015 18:05:24 GMT -5
Obi-Wan (ROTS), Nahdar Vebb, Ezra and Kanan v.s Ahsoka (Rebels) and Anakin (TCW) Who wins? Ezra, Kanan and Vebb are all useless. So it's basically Anakin and Ahsoka vs Obi-wan... Obi-wan loses. Ezra... useless?! Well that bulldozes my plan for a Sidious vs Ezra matchup.  . And I disagree with you. I think Obi-Wan could hold out against Anakin and defeat him. He's a skilled defensive duelist and he could probably outlast Anakin. Although it could go either way depending on the setting and circumstances. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 23, 2015 18:07:50 GMT -5
Ezra, Kanan and Vebb are all useless. So it's basically Anakin and Ahsoka vs Obi-wan... Obi-wan loses. Ezra... useless?! Well that bulldozes my plan for a Sidious vs Ezra matchup. . And I disagree with you. I think Obi-Wan could hold out against Anakin and defeat him. He's a skilled defensive duelist and he could probably outlast Anakin. Although it could go either way depending on the setting and circumstances. Obi-wan would win against Anakin, but not against Anakin AND Ahsoka. |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2015 18:09:36 GMT -5
Thing with Soresu it is meant to out last your opponents, get them tired enough and then locate weak spots and strike. Obi-Wan is one of the best lightsaber combatants, certainly the most defensive. His weakness would be an opponent who is storing with the force like Sidious or even Dooku at times. Anakin and Ahsoka are more lightsaber focused so he has a very good chance to beat both of them
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2015 18:15:08 GMT -5
And Ahsoka uses Ataru, the acrobatic form. Also the one that requires the most effort. Obi-Wan at his peak in ROTS is in a whole different league then Ahsoka ever was or will be
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 23, 2015 18:27:11 GMT -5
Obi-Wan (ROTS), Nahdar Vebb, Ezra and Kanan v.s Ahsoka (Rebels) and Anakin (TCW) Who wins? Ezra, Kanan and Vebb are all useless. So it's basically Anakin and Ahsoka vs Obi-wan... Obi-wan loses. Yep. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 23, 2015 18:27:47 GMT -5
And Ahsoka uses Ataru, the acrobatic form. Also the one that requires the most effort. Obi-Wan at his peak in ROTS is in a whole different league then Ahsoka ever was or will be Yeah Obi-Wan would be able to take out Ahsoka. That said Ahsoka would probably take on Kanan, Ezra and Nahdar but I'm not even sure if she could beat them. Ezra is an annoyance if anything but Kanan and Nahdar are both Padawan level Jedi and as Ahsoka never actually graduated from Padawan in the Order they might be a challenge. Team 1 would best Team 2 if Nahdar, Kanan and Ezra could take down Ahsoka, keep her occupied for long enough or weaken her to the point where she can be taken out by Kenobi. If Ahsoka was to beat the 3 Jedi the Shien+Ataru combo of Ahsoka and Anakin could break Obi Wan's defensive stance but they would have to coordinate their attacks well. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 23, 2015 18:29:17 GMT -5
Obi is about even with Ani. But I think he'd lose to the two of them.
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2015 18:31:06 GMT -5
Also Obi-Wan fought off Maul and Savage and injured Savage with two lightsabers. Soresu is extremely difficult with two Sabres as well, so it shows just how good he is.
Kind of funny, but when I was standing in line to get into TFA, me and this other guy who was obviously a big fan where talking about all the different lightsaber forms. Naming them and going through what they're good at and everything, not exactly sure how that conversation started, I think it was from talking about Vader
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2015 18:34:09 GMT -5
Obi is about even with Ani. But I think he'd lose to the two of them. Jedi Anakin?? Unlikely... Anakin is stronger when he has built up rage and everything like in ROTS or Clone Wars Dooku fights (Crisis on Naboo). There is no basis where Anakin will have that in this scenario so he is certainly weaker |
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Post by Newan on Dec 23, 2015 18:38:15 GMT -5
And Ahsoka uses Ataru, the acrobatic form. Also the one that requires the most effort. Obi-Wan at his peak in ROTS is in a whole different league then Ahsoka ever was or will be Yeah Obi-Wan would be able to take out Ahsoka. That said Ahsoka would probably take on Kanan, Ezra and Nahdar but I'm not even sure if she could beat them. Ezra is an annoyance if anything but Kanan and Nahdar are both Padawan level Jedi and as Ahsoka never actually graduated from Padawan in the Order they might be a challenge. Team 1 would best Team 2 if Nahdar, Kanan and Ezra could take down Ahsoka, keep her occupied for long enough or weaken her to the point where she can be taken out by Kenobi. If Ahsoka was to beat the 3 Jedi the Shien+Ataru combo of Ahsoka and Anakin could break Obi Wan's defensive stance but they would have to coordinate their attacks well. I'd say Soresu is strongest counter for Ataru though so Ahsoka wouldn't do much at all. Savage is stronger then Ahsoka IMO and more of a challenge for Obi-Wan and he held him off pretty well. Maul also has what I'd probably consider the best counter for Soresu which is Juyo. The speed and accuracy of the attacks can be hard to defend against. However I am not sure if TCW Maul actually uses Juyo, maybe a little mixture of it but I'd say he's more balanced with maybe Shi Cho possibly. Probably not because that's what Luke uses and Maul fights differently then him. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 23, 2015 18:47:21 GMT -5
And Ahsoka uses Ataru, the acrobatic form. Also the one that requires the most effort. Obi-Wan at his peak in ROTS is in a whole different league then Ahsoka ever was or will be Yeah Obi-Wan would be able to take out Ahsoka. That said Ahsoka would probably take on Kanan, Ezra and Nahdar but I'm not even sure if she could beat them. Ezra is an annoyance if anything but Kanan and Nahdar are both Padawan level Jedi and as Ahsoka never actually graduated from Padawan in the Order they might be a challenge.Team 1 would best Team 2 if Nahdar, Kanan and Ezra could take down Ahsoka, keep her occupied for long enough or weaken her to the point where she can be taken out by Kenobi. If Ahsoka was to beat the 3 Jedi the Shien+Ataru combo of Ahsoka and Anakin could break Obi Wan's defensive stance but they would have to coordinate their attacks well. I'm pretty sure Ahsoka was at knight level at the end of TCW, the Jedi didn't have to teach her anything else, she just never formally received the knight title... And she continued to improve her abilities on her own I guess. So she is far above Vebb and Kanan. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 23, 2015 19:36:17 GMT -5
Yeah Obi-Wan would be able to take out Ahsoka. That said Ahsoka would probably take on Kanan, Ezra and Nahdar but I'm not even sure if she could beat them. Ezra is an annoyance if anything but Kanan and Nahdar are both Padawan level Jedi and as Ahsoka never actually graduated from Padawan in the Order they might be a challenge.Team 1 would best Team 2 if Nahdar, Kanan and Ezra could take down Ahsoka, keep her occupied for long enough or weaken her to the point where she can be taken out by Kenobi. If Ahsoka was to beat the 3 Jedi the Shien+Ataru combo of Ahsoka and Anakin could break Obi Wan's defensive stance but they would have to coordinate their attacks well. I'm pretty sure Ahsoka was at knight level at the end of TCW, the Jedi didn't have to teach her anything else, she just never formally received the knight title... And she continued to improve her abilities on her own I guess. So she is far above Vebb and Kanan. And Ezra is basically a 5-year old with a toy lightsaber from Target. |
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Post by Pinda on Dec 23, 2015 20:28:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Ahsoka was at knight level at the end of TCW, the Jedi didn't have to teach her anything else, she just never formally received the knight title... And she continued to improve her abilities on her own I guess. So she is far above Vebb and Kanan. And Ezra is basically a 5-year old with a toy lightsaber from Target. That's why I didn't even bother mentioning him. |
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