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Post by Newan on Jul 6, 2014 18:26:14 GMT -5
Either way I think with the location it's a pretty even fight. I disagree, I still think Qui-gon is by far superior to Ventress. I guess they could also throw rocks at eachother lol. But I'm pretty sure Qui-Gon has more force power. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 6, 2014 18:28:03 GMT -5
But she did hold off Anakin and Obi-Wan for awhile and both are better than Qui-Gon. Though Anakin beat her by himself awhile before that (season 3).
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 6, 2014 18:29:50 GMT -5
What about that sarlacc pit thing or does that not count The sarlacc pit is on Tatooine. The one on felucia I think it's called ancient abyss or something |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 6, 2014 18:30:12 GMT -5
But she did hold off Anakin and Obi-Wan for awhile and both are better than Qui-Gon. Though Anakin beat her by himself awhile before that (season 3). I don't think Obi-wan is better than Qui-gon during TCW, maybe their lightsaber skills were almost equal, but Qui-gon was much better with the force. |
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Post by Pinda on Jul 6, 2014 18:32:06 GMT -5
The sarlacc pit is on Tatooine. The one on felucia I think it's called ancient abyss or something I didn't know that... But the location is Florrum. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 6, 2014 18:32:50 GMT -5
Oh yeah that's in TFU  I'll add that to the Felucia random thing. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jul 6, 2014 18:35:21 GMT -5
The one on felucia I think it's called ancient abyss or something I didn't know that... But the location is Florrum. I know I was just saying for felucia |
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Post by Newan on Jul 6, 2014 18:36:34 GMT -5
But she did hold off Anakin and Obi-Wan for awhile and both are better than Qui-Gon. Though Anakin beat her by himself awhile before that (season 3). I don't think Obi-wan is better than Qui-gon during TCW, maybe their lightsaber skills were almost equal, but Qui-gon was much better with the force. I think Obi-Wan is much better actually he did hold off Maul and Savage I can't see Qui-Gon doing that. Obi-Wan mastered Soresu which is the defensive form and one of the hardest to master and to use it with 2 lightsabers (Revival) is really impressive. Even though Kenobis form isn't offensive it's very defensive. I'd say they're close to equal with the force. I do think that Qui-Gon would have trained Anakin better though |
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Post by Namialus on Jul 6, 2014 19:30:24 GMT -5
Ventress. Qui-Gon was never much of a fighter anyway, he didn't live in the Clone Wars and wasn't a Jedi centered on combat. He was more of a thinker who meditated on the Force. Ventress, OTOH, is made for combat. She's an assassin, and she spends most of her time fighting. And her two lightsabers are an advantage.
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Post by Newan on Jul 6, 2014 20:48:48 GMT -5
Ventress. Qui-Gon was never much of a fighter anyway, he didn't live in the Clone Wars and wasn't a Jedi centered on combat. He was more of a thinker who meditated on the Force. Ventress, OTOH, is made for combat. She's an assassin, and she spends most of her time fighting. And her two lightsabers are an advantage. Qui-Gon was actually one of the best swordsman in the Order. And I believe he fought in the Mandalorian conflicts with Dooku prior to TPM. I'd say Qui-Gon was more of a fighter than a consular he declined being on Jedi council. Ventress was no where near Mauls (TPM) abilties though... She wasn't thst good of an Assassin and she did lose to every Jedi council member she fought (Don't say Luminara she's a true diplomat if anything) even a blind Dooku with the aid of two other warriors she was beaten. |
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Post by Namialus on Jul 6, 2014 21:55:09 GMT -5
Ventress. Qui-Gon was never much of a fighter anyway, he didn't live in the Clone Wars and wasn't a Jedi centered on combat. He was more of a thinker who meditated on the Force. Ventress, OTOH, is made for combat. She's an assassin, and she spends most of her time fighting. And her two lightsabers are an advantage. Qui-Gon was actually one of the best swordsman in the Order. And I believe he fought in the Mandalorian conflicts with Dooku prior to TPM. I'd say Qui-Gon was more of a fighter than a consular he declined being on Jedi council. Ventress was no where near Mauls (TPM) abilties though... She wasn't thst good of an Assassin and she did lose to every Jedi council member she fought (Don't say Luminara she's a true diplomat if anything) even a blind Dooku with the aid of two other warriors she was beaten. She was great at being an assassin, which is exactly why Sidious feared her partnership with Dooku. As for losing to Dooku, she lacked two lightsabers, which puts her at a disadvantage. And I don't think Qui-Gon was one of the best, considering he lost to Maul, who was an assassin just like Ventress. He was more skilled than her due to age and a much darker training method. |
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Post by Star on Jul 6, 2014 21:55:43 GMT -5
Close but I'd have to go with Qui-Gon. I think his experience would help him defeat her in the end. Ventress is more agile, has two lightsabers, and can do more tricks, but she's not as powerful as Maul. And Qui-Gon almost beat Maul (I think he would've, but the story calling for his death just had to just screw with that...). Qui-Gon is also a good fighter and can probably handle the way Ventress fights. It'd definitely be close. But I have to go with Qui-Gon.
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Post by Newan on Jul 6, 2014 22:32:21 GMT -5
Qui-Gon was actually one of the best swordsman in the Order. And I believe he fought in the Mandalorian conflicts with Dooku prior to TPM. I'd say Qui-Gon was more of a fighter than a consular he declined being on Jedi council. Ventress was no where near Mauls (TPM) abilties though... She wasn't thst good of an Assassin and she did lose to every Jedi council member she fought (Don't say Luminara she's a true diplomat if anything) even a blind Dooku with the aid of two other warriors she was beaten. She was great at being an assassin, which is exactly why Sidious feared her partnership with Dooku. As for losing to Dooku, she lacked two lightsabers, which puts her at a disadvantage. And I don't think Qui-Gon was one of the best, considering he lost to Maul, who was an assassin just like Ventress. He was more skilled than her due to age and a much darker training method. TPM Maul with double saber would destroy Ventress any day though. I don't know why Sidious feared her though. Maul and Savage was more of a threat than her any day. |
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Post by Namialus on Jul 6, 2014 23:38:21 GMT -5
She was great at being an assassin, which is exactly why Sidious feared her partnership with Dooku. As for losing to Dooku, she lacked two lightsabers, which puts her at a disadvantage. And I don't think Qui-Gon was one of the best, considering he lost to Maul, who was an assassin just like Ventress. He was more skilled than her due to age and a much darker training method. TPM Maul with double saber would destroy Ventress any day though. I don't know why Sidious feared her though. Maul and Savage was more of a threat than her any day. Yes... which is why Sidious tried to have them killed too. And he feared her because Dooku is a great fighter, and Ventress is dangerous, even if she's an easy kill for Sidious. Sidious dominated and played with Maul and Savage, but Dooku and Ventress are a lot smarter than them and Dooku alone would put up a better fight. Ventress is just a plus. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2014 11:21:57 GMT -5
TPM Maul with double saber would destroy Ventress any day though. I don't know why Sidious feared her though. Maul and Savage was more of a threat than her any day. Yes... which is why Sidious tried to have them killed too. And he feared her because Dooku is a great fighter, and Ventress is dangerous, even if she's an easy kill for Sidious. Sidious dominated and played with Maul and Savage, but Dooku and Ventress are a lot smarter than them and Dooku alone would put up a better fight. Ventress is just a plus. Ventress would die as fast as Savage. Dooku would last a bit longer than Maul. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jul 7, 2014 12:20:04 GMT -5
Yes... which is why Sidious tried to have them killed too. And he feared her because Dooku is a great fighter, and Ventress is dangerous, even if she's an easy kill for Sidious. Sidious dominated and played with Maul and Savage, but Dooku and Ventress are a lot smarter than them and Dooku alone would put up a better fight. Ventress is just a plus. Ventress would die as fast as Savage. Dooku would last a bit longer than Maul. Savage's lightsaber style is sloppy, whereas Ventress is a swift,proficient fighter and far more intelligent. She would definitely last longer than Savage. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2014 12:23:44 GMT -5
Ventress would die as fast as Savage. Dooku would last a bit longer than Maul. Savage's lightsaber style is sloppy, whereas Ventress is a swift,proficient fighter and far more intelligent. She would definitely last longer than Savage. Savage has just as much force capabilities. He was a very quick learner. Plus he's strong where as Ventress is not. He was kinda beating her in Revenge. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2014 19:30:35 GMT -5
Vote!!! Poll locks tomorrow at 12 Mountain time.
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2014 19:31:07 GMT -5
Even though I find it pretty close... I think I'm going to slightly give the edge to Qui-Gon here.
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2014 19:38:24 GMT -5
Hmm, I actually don't know anymore. Even though Ventress is powerful and we see her do fairly well at kicking over her opponents in duels, she still almost always loses in the end.
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2014 19:41:45 GMT -5
Hmm, I actually don't know anymore. Even though Ventress is powerful and we see her do fairly well at kicking over her opponents in duels, she still almost always loses in the end. If it was a close quarters location I'd say she would lose for sure like how Savage kicked her butt in Revenge but since it's open she has quite more of an advantage and can use her agility to her advantage. Plus she has two sabers but Qui-Gon can manage. Qui-Gon is smart though he would find a way to use this environment to his advantage I'm pretty sure in TPM book it says he was actually forcing the battle to that last little room to confine Maul so he wouldn't have as much space for a double bladed saber. |
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Post by bane on Jul 7, 2014 22:00:12 GMT -5
Just voted for Ventress. And it's funny because this thread has 71 pages even though there haven't been too many battles lately. |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2014 22:06:16 GMT -5
Yeah it was popular the Malgus vs Vader match was actually very awesome and active.
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Post by Malgus on Jul 7, 2014 22:07:51 GMT -5
Voted Ventress... close, but she'd be the winner.
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Post by bane on Jul 7, 2014 22:07:55 GMT -5
Yeah it was popular the Malgus vs Vader match was actually very awesome and active. Malgus> Vader |
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Post by Newan on Jul 7, 2014 22:09:43 GMT -5
Yeah it was popular the Malgus vs Vader match was actually very awesome and active. Malgus> Vader Malgus just barly won but it was a good argument. I think ill use some sith soon like Bane and stuff. |
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Post by bane on Jul 7, 2014 22:11:21 GMT -5
Malgus just barly won but it was a good argument. I think ill use some sith soon like Bane and stuff. Yay  |
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2014 22:11:48 GMT -5
I just gave in and voted Ventress. It could be close though. |
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Post by bane on Jul 7, 2014 22:13:14 GMT -5
I just gave in and voted Ventress. It could be close though. I sort of doubt how close it would be to be honest. |
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Post by Potato on Jul 7, 2014 22:14:37 GMT -5
I just gave in and voted Ventress. It could be close though. I sort of doubt how close it would be to be honest. I guess it's just harder to tell for Qui-Gon since he only got one duel before he died. Ventress has had tons, although she does lose most of them so that's what made me hesitant to vote for her. |
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