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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:08:13 GMT -5
Since Vader's cybernetics slow him down, I'm pretty sure his lightsaber ability is lessened so when Vader blocks one of Malgus' attacks, Malgus could strike at Vader somewhere else quicker than Vader can react... Shall I refer to Kessel again to prove that wrong ?  |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 15:10:11 GMT -5
Since Vader's cybernetics slow him down, I'm pretty sure his lightsaber ability is lessened so when Vader blocks one of Malgus' attacks, Malgus could strike at Vader somewhere else quicker than Vader can react... Shall I refer to Kessel again to prove that wrong ? ... Vader can't defeat a group of Jedi masters on his own. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:11:52 GMT -5
Shall I refer to Kessel again to prove that wrong ? ... Vader can't defeat a group of Jedi masters on his own. At Kessel, Vader did.  ![]()  |
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Post by Newan on Jan 3, 2014 15:12:12 GMT -5
Well ill probably put the poll up tonight or early morning. This is probably the best discussion yet though.
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 3, 2014 15:12:20 GMT -5
Since Vader's cybernetics slow him down, I'm pretty sure his lightsaber ability is lessened so when Vader blocks one of Malgus' attacks, Malgus could strike at Vader somewhere else quicker than Vader can react... Shall I refer to Kessel again to prove that wrong ? After that we can refer to the movies which are the highest level of canon.... |
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Post by Star on Jan 3, 2014 15:14:37 GMT -5
It took four of the most powerful and skilled people in the galaxy to take down Malgus. It took one boy to take down Vader. Not to mention the death of every Jedi except Yoda. They all died because of him and his army. And his army was just mere clones. Malgus had to have a sith army just to attempt to kill all the Jedi. And he didn't come close to succeeding. He even had droids on his side too. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:15:27 GMT -5
Shall I refer to Kessel again to prove that wrong ? After that we can refer to the movies which are the highest level of canon.... Actually Kessel is considered just as high as the movies because nothing has overwriten it... The EU just expands what we see in the films and unless it contradicts the movies, is just as high canon as them... |
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Post by Star on Jan 3, 2014 15:15:29 GMT -5
Shall I refer to Kessel again to prove that wrong ? After that we can refer to the movies which are the highest level of canon.... Which Malgus is never even worth mentioning in apparently... Some master he was... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 15:15:50 GMT -5
... Vader can't defeat a group of Jedi masters on his own. At Kessel, Vader did. Then it's non-canon... He couldn't even beat one Jedi master (Obi-wan) in a one on one fight at the peek of his power. So either those Jedi masters were really, really bad. Or this isn't canon. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 15:17:23 GMT -5
It took four of the most powerful and skilled people in the galaxy to take down Malgus. It took one boy to take down Vader. Not to mention the death of every Jedi except Yoda. They all died because of him and his army. And his army was just mere clones. Malgus had to have a sith army just to attempt to kill all the Jedi. And he didn't come close to succeeding. He even had droids on his side too. Apparently it weren't just clones. There were people like The Son that helped him. Most Jedi died because of Order 66 which was mostly done by huge amounts of clones with the element of surprise to their advantage. |
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Post by Star on Jan 3, 2014 15:18:06 GMT -5
Since Vader's cybernetics slow him down, I'm pretty sure his lightsaber ability is lessened so when Vader blocks one of Malgus' attacks, Malgus could strike at Vader somewhere else quicker than Vader can react... But surely since Vader is stronger in the Force he could sense what was going to happen next and plan ahead somehow... |
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Post by Newan on Jan 3, 2014 15:18:56 GMT -5
Pinda this is pretty good video of the emperors plans. Though he makes a good point about other galaxy's beyond the one everything takes place in  the vid is only the cutscenes and not the actual fight though. And he doesn't really die.
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:19:45 GMT -5
At Kessel, Vader did. Then it's non-canon... He couldn't even beat one Jedi master (Obi-wan) in a one on one fight at the peek of his power. So either those Jedi masters were really, really bad. Or this isn't canon. It is canon. Whether you like it or not. Leland Chee didn't object to this story so it's canon. |
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Post by Star on Jan 3, 2014 15:19:45 GMT -5
Not to mention the death of every Jedi except Yoda. They all died because of him and his army. And his army was just mere clones. Malgus had to have a sith army just to attempt to kill all the Jedi. And he didn't come close to succeeding. He even had droids on his side too. Apparently it weren't just clones. There were people like The Son that helped him. Most Jedi died because of Order 66 which was mostly done by huge amounts of clones with the element of surprise to their advantage. Vader and Sudious knew what had to be done to become all powerful. Malgus and his sith did not. And Vader still hunted down many of the Jedi as well, that's canon still, is it not? |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 15:25:28 GMT -5
Apparently it weren't just clones. There were people like The Son that helped him. Most Jedi died because of Order 66 which was mostly done by huge amounts of clones with the element of surprise to their advantage. Vader and Sudious knew what had to be done to become all powerful. Malgus and his sith did not. And Vader still hunted down many of the Jedi as well, that's canon still, is it not? That's canon I think. But he wasn't capable of defeating 4 Jedi masters at the same time. |
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Post by Star on Jan 3, 2014 15:26:26 GMT -5
Vader and Sudious knew what had to be done to become all powerful. Malgus and his sith did not. And Vader still hunted down many of the Jedi as well, that's canon still, is it not? That's canon I think. But he wasn't capable of defeating 4 Jedi masters at the same time. Maybe before the suit, but it's hard to believe he could with it. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:28:03 GMT -5
Vader and Sudious knew what had to be done to become all powerful. Malgus and his sith did not. And Vader still hunted down many of the Jedi as well, that's canon still, is it not? That's canon I think. But he wasn't capable of defeating 4 Jedi masters at the same time.
4 Jedi Masters and 4 Jedi Knights VS Vader |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 3, 2014 15:28:45 GMT -5
It took four of the most powerful and skilled people in the galaxy to take down Malgus. It took one boy to take down Vader. Not to mention the death of every Jedi except Yoda. They all died because of him and his army. And his army was just mere clones. Malgus had to have a sith army just to attempt to kill all the Jedi. And he didn't come close to succeeding. He even had droids on his side too. Armies are irrelevant this is a one on one battle After that we can refer to the movies which are the highest level of canon.... Actually Kessel is considered just as high as the movies because nothing has overwriten it... The EU just expands what we see in the films and unless it contradicts the movies, is just as high canon as them... It contradicts the movies because Vader can't do anything in them After that we can refer to the movies which are the highest level of canon.... Which Malgus is never even worth mentioning in apparently... Some master he was... Maybe because TOR was made after the OT Besides this point is kind of silly anyway.. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 15:29:54 GMT -5
That's canon I think. But he wasn't capable of defeating 4 Jedi masters at the same time.
4 Jedi Masters and 4 Jedi Knights VS Vader That's even more ridiculous. Vader can't win against 8 Jedi at the same time... Even Sidious might not be capable of that. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 3, 2014 15:30:21 GMT -5
Since Vader's cybernetics slow him down, I'm pretty sure his lightsaber ability is lessened so when Vader blocks one of Malgus' attacks, Malgus could strike at Vader somewhere else quicker than Vader can react... But surely since Vader is stronger in the Force he could sense what was going to happen next and plan ahead somehow... Plan ahead? To counter the second attack, he gets killed by the first attack.. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:31:10 GMT -5
Actually Kessel is considered just as high as the movies because nothing has overwriten it... The EU just expands what we see in the films and unless it contradicts the movies, is just as high canon as them... It contradicts the movies because Vader can't do anything in them No it doesn't. By contradict I mean going against a story that was seen in the movie. Kessel doesn't. So it is canon Wookiepedia states if things are non canon or canon... starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conclave_on_KesselIt is canon. End of story.Goodbye.The End (Leland Chee did not object to the story also.) |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:32:58 GMT -5
By the way (for future reference), Conclave at Kessel was:
4 Jedi Masters and 4 Jedi Knights VS Vader That's even more ridiculous. Vader can't win against 8 Jedi at the same time... Even Sidious might not be capable of that. "Oh, I'm afraid, that Conclave of Kessel is quite canon" It is by no means ridiculous, Vader's new form was nothing like these Jedi had ever seen, they did not know how to counter it. Of course they were relatively skilled, but Vader's skill completely overpowered them |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 15:33:21 GMT -5
It contradicts the movies because Vader can't do anything in them No it doesn't. By contradict I mean going against a story that was seen in the movie. Kessel doesn't. So it is canon Wookiepedia states if things are non canon or canon... starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conclave_on_KesselIt is canon. End of story.Goodbye.The End (Leland Chee did not object to the story also.) Wookieepedia is not a reliable source. George Lucas and Dave Filoni are the only people that can really make canon stories in this era in my opinion. And I'm pretty sure neither of them had anything to do with this comic. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 3, 2014 15:34:58 GMT -5
It contradicts the movies because Vader can't do anything in them No it doesn't. By contradict I mean going against a story that was seen in the movie. Kessel doesn't. So it is canon Wookiepedia states if things are non canon or canon... starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conclave_on_KesselIt is canon. End of story.Goodbye.The End (Leland Chee did not object to the story also.) Wookiepedia can be and is edited by biased people so.. Besides, Leland Chee isn't George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars, so Kessel doesn't fall within G-canon |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:35:04 GMT -5
No it doesn't. By contradict I mean going against a story that was seen in the movie. Kessel doesn't. So it is canon Wookiepedia states if things are non canon or canon... starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conclave_on_KesselIt is canon. End of story.Goodbye.The End (Leland Chee did not object to the story also.) Wookieepedia is not a reliable source. George Lucas and Dave Filoni are the only people that can really make canon stories in this era in my opinion. And I'm pretty sure neither of them had anything to do with this comic. 1. Wookipedia is regulary checked by several mods who look for incorrect articles. 2. Neither GL or Leland Chee (the person who decides what is Canon) did not object to this story and they approved it. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:36:21 GMT -5
No it doesn't. By contradict I mean going against a story that was seen in the movie. Kessel doesn't. So it is canon Wookiepedia states if things are non canon or canon... starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conclave_on_KesselIt is canon. End of story.Goodbye.The End (Leland Chee did not object to the story also.) Wookiepedia can be and is edited by biased people so.. Besides, Leland Chee isn't George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars, so Kessel doesn't fall within G-canon Leland Chee is the one who decides what is canon. Both of them must have approved this in some way of another. Kessel may not actually fall under proper G-Canon, but it can be considered on the same level as TCW because othing contradicts it and it contradicts nothig above it and it is a completely feasible story |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 15:37:29 GMT -5
Wookieepedia is not a reliable source. George Lucas and Dave Filoni are the only people that can really make canon stories in this era in my opinion. And I'm pretty sure neither of them had anything to do with this comic. 1. Wookipedia is regulary checked by several mods who look for incorrect articles. 2. Neither GL or Leland Chee (the person who decides what is Canon) did not object to this story and approved it. I'm fairly certain George Lucas didn't even read this comic. He doesn't care. I read his opinion on the EU. He said there are basically two universes, one contains his stories and his vision on everything, the other is the EU with all the comic books and that kind of stuff. So according to George Lucas this comic wouldn't be the same kind of canon/universe as the movies or TCW. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:38:13 GMT -5
EU can fill in as an expander of G-Canon if it doesn't contradict existing G-Canon or other high level canon
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:38:50 GMT -5
1. Wookipedia is regulary checked by several mods who look for incorrect articles. 2. Neither GL or Leland Chee (the person who decides what is Canon) did not object to this story and approved it. I'm fairly certain George Lucas didn't even read this comic. He doesn't care. I read his opinion on the EU. He said there are basically two universes, one contains his stories and his vision on everything, the other is the EU with all the comic books and that kind of stuff. So according to George Lucas this comic wouldn't be the same kind of canon/universe as the movies or TCW. EU expands upon what has already been made. In a way, TCW is EU, because it expands upon the films like the comics do. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 15:40:02 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain George Lucas didn't even read this comic. He doesn't care. I read his opinion on the EU. He said there are basically two universes, one contains his stories and his vision on everything, the other is the EU with all the comic books and that kind of stuff. So according to George Lucas this comic wouldn't be the same kind of canon/universe as the movies or TCW. EU expands upon what has already been made. In a way, TCW is EU, because it expands upon the films like the comics do. But TCW was made by George Lucas so it's still part of "his universe", the rest of the EU isn't. |
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the vid is only the cutscenes and not the actual fight though. And he doesn't really die.
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