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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:28:09 GMT -5
If you read the book of that you will learn that most of the Jedi there were mere, uskilled padawans. Zallow was a negotiator and probably a consular. That makes Malgus look cool, but we are not voting for the cool character, we're voting for the one who is stronger than the other. Like I said, Zallow probably used Niman, the weakest form. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 3, 2014 14:33:58 GMT -5
If you read the book of that you will learn that most of the Jedi there were mere, uskilled padawans. Zallow was a negotiator and probably a consular. That makes Malgus look cool, but we are not voting for the cool character, we're voting for the one who is stronger than the other. Like I said, Zallow probably used Niman, the weakest form. Yes I read the book. But this shows his physical capabilities of how he chocked the one padawan with one hand and kicked Zallow across the room. And most Jedi at the Jedi temple at order 66 where unskilled padawans as well. Even less than this because padawans of the old republic actualy fought in battle. Where as many in TCW do not. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 3, 2014 14:34:25 GMT -5
He disarms Shan rather quick here and beats the master with ease....
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:35:59 GMT -5
If you read the book of that you will learn that most of the Jedi there were mere, uskilled padawans. Zallow was a negotiator and probably a consular. That makes Malgus look cool, but we are not voting for the cool character, we're voting for the one who is stronger than the other. Like I said, Zallow probably used Niman, the weakest form. Yes I read the book. But this shows his physical capabilities of how he chocked the one padawan with one hand and kicked Zallow across the room. And most Jedi at the Jedi temple at order 66 where unskilled padawans as well. Even less than this because padawans of the old republic actualy fought in battle. Where as many in TCW do not. Vader done something better. He chocked Cin Drallig's apprentice (who is far more skilled than the padawan choked by Malgus) and fights (doesn't kick) Cin Drallig using one hand, he done this just using Shien, not even his better form when he turns to Darth Vader. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:36:43 GMT -5
He disarms Shan rather quick here and beats the master with ease.... That's when Shan was Knight/Padawan. But then he faces her on Alderan and gets WTFpwned |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:39:45 GMT -5
Malgus= Kills unskilled Masters and usually sticks to fighting Padawans and Knights and in some cases still gets beaten
Vader= Faced numerous blademasters and Jedi Masters and Knights and Padawans. Also fought numerous Jedi Masters at once. Only gets beaten by one of the most powerful Jedi ever
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 14:40:40 GMT -5
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:44:00 GMT -5
 . We're talking about Post EP3 Vader It doesn't matter what they were like at first we are talking about Vader at EP3 and beyond. Obi Wan said Anakin could rival Yoda's skills if he trained enough And GL said Anakin would be twice as powerful as Sidious if he didn't get the suit
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Post by Newan on Jan 3, 2014 14:44:16 GMT -5
He disarms Shan rather quick here and beats the master with ease.... That's when Shan was Knight/Padawan. But then he faces her on Alderan and gets WTFpwned He didn't really get owned that bad. She got saved by a ability that the only other person you ever see use it is the Father in the clone wars pretty much the most powerful force user. He actually destroyed her in lightsaber combat. Plus Shan is a consular and Jedi master she would have more knowledge of the force. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 14:44:59 GMT -5
Malgus= Kills unskilled Masters and usually sticks to fighting Padawans and Knights and in some cases still gets beaten Vader= Faced numerous blademasters and Jedi Masters and Knights and Padawans. Also fought numerous Jedi Masters at once. Only gets beaten by one of the most powerful Jedi ever *Malgus= Kills a Jedi master even as an apprentice. Is one of the most powerful Sith at the time of SWTOR. Even manages to take the Sith Emperor's place. Vader= Faces numerous younglings and other Jedi with the aid of an enormous clone army. And gets beaten by a boy with a (few) day(s) of training. Get's his ass kicked by an old man as a padawan. Sucks at jumping at people (unlike Malgus). Is unable to use force lightning. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 14:46:44 GMT -5
. We're talking about Post EP3 Vader It doesn't matter what they were like at first we are talking about Vader at EP3 and beyond. Obi Wan said Anakin could rival Yoda's skills if he trained enough And GL said Anakin would be twice as powerful as Sidious if he didn't get the suit Well this just shows that before Anakin got his suit Malgus was better than him. Maybe he got better during the Clone Wars, but he became weaker when he got his suit. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:47:53 GMT -5
Malgus= Kills unskilled Masters and usually sticks to fighting Padawans and Knights and in some cases still gets beaten Vader= Faced numerous blademasters and Jedi Masters and Knights and Padawans. Also fought numerous Jedi Masters at once. Only gets beaten by one of the most powerful Jedi ever *Malgus= Kills a Jedi master even as an apprentice. Is one of the most powerful Sith at the time of SWTOR. Even manages to take the Sith Emperor's place. Vader= Faces numerous younglings and other Jedi with the aid of an enormous clone army. And gets beaten by a boy with a (few) day(s) of training. Get's his ass kicked by an old man as a padawan. Sucks at jumping at people (unlike Malgus). Is unable to use force lightning. Malgus= Defeats a Jedi using Niman. And being an apprentice is irrelevant. Vader was an apprentice Vader= Defeats numerous masters all at once, only suffering minor injuries. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:48:49 GMT -5
. We're talking about Post EP3 Vader It doesn't matter what they were like at first we are talking about Vader at EP3 and beyond. Obi Wan said Anakin could rival Yoda's skills if he trained enough And GL said Anakin would be twice as powerful as Sidious if he didn't get the suit Well this just shows that before Anakin got his suit Malgus was better than him. Maybe he got better during the Clone Wars, but he became weaker when he got his suit. ... Malgus isn't as powerful as Vader, Vader is only 20% less powerful with the suit. Is Malgus? Definitely not. Vader wins |
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Post by Newan on Jan 3, 2014 14:48:51 GMT -5
. We're talking about Post EP3 Vader It doesn't matter what they were like at first we are talking about Vader at EP3 and beyond. Obi Wan said Anakin could rival Yoda's skills if he trained enough And GL said Anakin would be twice as powerful as Sidious if he didn't get the suit Anakin got baby treating as a sith though he instantly got to be a Darth without proving himself at all. Malgus actually had REAL sith trials he learned too fight and kill ever since he was young he killed his rivals too become sith and prove himself. Even as a Young sith he led battles in the outer rim and conquests for the empire. |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 14:50:41 GMT -5
Well this just shows that before Anakin got his suit Malgus was better than him. Maybe he got better during the Clone Wars, but he became weaker when he got his suit. ... Malgus isn't as powerful as Vader, Vader is only 20% less powerful with the suit. Is Malgus? Definitely not. Vader wins Actually according to you the suit made him 120% less powerful. Malgus didn't seem to lose any power from getting his "suit". |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:51:02 GMT -5
. We're talking about Post EP3 Vader It doesn't matter what they were like at first we are talking about Vader at EP3 and beyond. Obi Wan said Anakin could rival Yoda's skills if he trained enough And GL said Anakin would be twice as powerful as Sidious if he didn't get the suit Anakin got baby treating as a sith though he instantly got to be a Darth without proving himself at all. Malgus actually had REAL sith trials he learned too fight and kill ever since he was young he killed his rivals too become sith and prove himself. Even as a Young sith he led battles in the outer rim and conquests for the empire. At the time, there were many SIth Lords, his power would be diluted and there would be more masters to train him. Vader needed no real training because by the time of EP3, he had a natural ability. And basically killed loads of Jedi, about a quarter of them with no help and all at once |
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Post by Newan on Jan 3, 2014 14:51:15 GMT -5
Malgus= Kills unskilled Masters and usually sticks to fighting Padawans and Knights and in some cases still gets beaten Vader= Faced numerous blademasters and Jedi Masters and Knights and Padawans. Also fought numerous Jedi Masters at once. Only gets beaten by one of the most powerful Jedi ever *Malgus= Kills a Jedi master even as an apprentice. Is one of the most powerful Sith at the time of SWTOR. Even manages to take the Sith Emperor's place. Vader= Faces numerous younglings and other Jedi with the aid of an enormous clone army. And gets beaten by a boy with a (few) day(s) of training. Get's his ass kicked by an old man as a padawan. Sucks at jumping at people (unlike Malgus). Is unable to use force lightning. He didn't really take his place he made his own splinter empire that would accept aliens and allow anyone that wanted conquest for equal rights. The Empires problem was the dark council they could never agree. The Emperor just wante fthe complete destruction of the galaxy with him ending the only person left and since he was immortal he wanted too watch the entire cycle restart with him being supreme leader.... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 14:51:35 GMT -5
It took four of the most powerful and skilled people in the galaxy to take down Malgus. It took one boy to take down Vader.
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:51:46 GMT -5
... Malgus isn't as powerful as Vader, Vader is only 20% less powerful with the suit. Is Malgus? Definitely not. Vader wins Actually according to you the suit made him 120% less powerful. Malgus didn't seem to lose any power from getting his "suit". Because Malgus didn't get almost burnt to death and have his arm and leg cut off. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:52:27 GMT -5
It took four of the most powerful and skilled people in the galaxy to take down Malgus. It took one boy to take down Vader. One boy who happens to be one of the most powerful Jedi ever who can mirror abilities and fight multiple foes and could easily wipe the floor with those four |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 14:52:45 GMT -5
*Malgus= Kills a Jedi master even as an apprentice. Is one of the most powerful Sith at the time of SWTOR. Even manages to take the Sith Emperor's place. Vader= Faces numerous younglings and other Jedi with the aid of an enormous clone army. And gets beaten by a boy with a (few) day(s) of training. Get's his ass kicked by an old man as a padawan. Sucks at jumping at people (unlike Malgus). Is unable to use force lightning. He didn't really take his place he made his own splinter empire that would accept aliens and allow anyone that wanted conquest for equal rights. The Empires problem was the dark council they could never agree. The Emperor just wante fthe complete destruction of the galaxy with him ending the only person left and since he was immortal he wanted too watch the entire cycle restart with him being supreme leader.... The Sith Emperor was clearly insane... |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 14:53:39 GMT -5
Actually according to you the suit made him 120% less powerful. Malgus didn't seem to lose any power from getting his "suit". Because Malgus didn't get almost burnt to death and have his arm and leg cut off. So you agree Malgus is better then? Because we're comparing Vader after he had his arm and legs cut off to Malgus. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 14:55:14 GMT -5
Because Malgus didn't get almost burnt to death and have his arm and leg cut off. So you agree Malgus is better then? Because we're comparing Vader after he had his arm and legs cut off to Malgus. Nope. I'm saying that with or without the suit Vader would win in a landslide. I'm saying that Malgus is probably no where near Sidious' level, whereas Vader is |
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 14:55:27 GMT -5
It took four of the most powerful and skilled people in the galaxy to take down Malgus. It took one boy to take down Vader. One boy who happens to be one of the most powerful Jedi ever who can mirror abilities and fight multiple foes and could easily wipe the floor with those four No. Luke may have been talented but even talented people need more that a few days of training to become a powerful Jedi. |
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Post by Newan on Jan 3, 2014 14:58:31 GMT -5
He didn't really take his place he made his own splinter empire that would accept aliens and allow anyone that wanted conquest for equal rights. The Empires problem was the dark council they could never agree. The Emperor just wante fthe complete destruction of the galaxy with him ending the only person left and since he was immortal he wanted too watch the entire cycle restart with him being supreme leader.... The Sith Emperor was clearly insane... Yes yes he was really insane. But powerful he sacerficed all the sith just too become immortal. By using a ritual that killed an entire planet of people and left it void of all life and even colour. He wanted to do that with the galaxy. Clearly nothing left too rule but wait for whatever happens. Lord Scourge saw that and knew he had too be stopped, |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 3, 2014 14:58:42 GMT -5
I don't think any of us are going to change our minds so maybe we should just put the poll up and pick another duel because this has been going on for a couple days..
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Post by Pinda on Jan 3, 2014 15:00:27 GMT -5
The Sith Emperor was clearly insane... Yes yes he was really insane. But powerful he sacerficed all the sith just too become immortal. By using a ritual that killed an entire planet of people and left it void of all life and even colour. See, these are the kind of things from TOR I don't consider Star Wars canon... This is clearly some insane and overpowered ability. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Jan 3, 2014 15:03:09 GMT -5
Using evidence from earlier, I have made a list of 5 different aspects and who is better than who in which one:
Force:
Telekinesis
Winner: Vader
Powers
Winner: Malgus
Force Mastery
Winner: Vader
Endurance
Winner: Vader
Lightsaber Ability
Winner: Vader
Also, to people on the Malgus team, please go back through arguments made by both sides before making your decision.
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Post by Newan on Jan 3, 2014 15:07:14 GMT -5
Yes yes he was really insane. But powerful he sacerficed all the sith just too become immortal. By using a ritual that killed an entire planet of people and left it void of all life and even colour. See, these are the kind of things from TOR I don't consider Star Wars canon... This is clearly some insane and overpowered ability. Arguable it did take a bunch of Sith Lords and it wasn't just him he tricked the sith he brought there with him too do the ritual they didnt knew what would happen. A dozen of the best sith could pull something like that off. And the Emperor was immensely powerful snapping his parents necks at the age of 6 and being trained by who was the current emperor Marka Ragnos. |
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 3, 2014 15:07:22 GMT -5
Since Vader's cybernetics slow him down, I'm pretty sure his lightsaber ability is lessened so when Vader blocks one of Malgus' attacks, Malgus could strike at Vader somewhere else quicker than Vader can react...
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. We're talking about Post EP3 Vader
it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 