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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:11:51 GMT -5
Proof for my loyalty: 1. I advised Wolffe how to make up for revealing his role (what I believe to be a mistake) by making sure he inspector stays hidden, as scum I wouldn't have done that obviously. 2. Ventress, the inspector, trusted me. 3. I was certain Ventress would be protected as she only seemed to want to contact Wolffe so he could protect her. So I would never have tried to kill her. 4. I was the only person to vote on day 2. While I actually intended to get other people to vote, but that didn't happen. If I hadn't done that nothing would have happened. 5. I've send PMs to pretty much everyone, why would a scum have PMs with this many people? 6. I don't have any allies. Only Nam and Wolffe seemed to trust me at some point, but Nam died and was the inspector and Wolffe is the protector. So if I was scum, who would be my allies?
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Post by Star on Nov 1, 2013 17:12:21 GMT -5
Well, with crappy evidence against me, dumb PM evidence against Plo, and nothing else, the answer is yes. Your evidence was dumb... not mine. So, this is dumb...? • called you out for saying you're loyal but then saying that you're still suspicous • noting how you're the only one that knew Nam was inspector on day 1 • continuously stating how scum would always take the chance and vote off a power player (nam) • let's say that our spots were reversed for this PM with Nam. You wouldn't be stressing that the scum always take out power players first, would you? You'd be accusing me of being scum since I knew that nam was inspector and he died. • you are also defending yourself with the scum taking out big players theory too • I say that the lack of discussion is sad. So then you say "start some." • I start discussion. I have to make accusations, since all other forms of starting it have failed. I happen to accuse you and them you say that this isn't the way to start discussion(yet you told me to). • then you accuse me of diverting attention from Plo when I didn't even know why I was suspicous. Well, that same argument can be made against you. You're stating that to divert attention from yourself. Not to mention I also suspected you slightly yesterday, so it's not like I accused you out of nowhere. • you then claim Plo and I are scum. This makes no sense. I didn't know why he was suspicous. I even asked it several times yesterday and today! And when I finally knew I thought it was a little suspicous but nothing serious. • you also then abandon that idea to say that you're voting me. Before you had no intention of doing so. But when I happen to accuse you, you suddenly want to vote me. You're obviously hoping others will agree with you but notice how no one has openly agreed with you yet? • if I had done these accusations to someone else, you wouldn't have jumped to voting me so quickly. • and even though I did suspect you, you could've done more to defend yourself then just decide to vote me. This just shows that you're nervous and hope others will follow you. So, is all of this dumb? If anything, your ONE reason against me is. I have MANY reasons. I'd like to hear you say this is dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 17:13:09 GMT -5
The point of a protector is to protect powerful roles instead of yourself. I'm not getting into this argument again but the protector is a powerful role and the inspector clearly didn't ask to be protected. I am reaching a breaking point. You need to stop being a smart ass. No chips the protector is a powerful role. But what the hell is the point of the protector who just protects himself. It doesn't matter if he didn't ask you. Once he told you that he was the protector you should of protected him. Why do you think he told you that he was the inspector. So he could be protected by you.
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 17:13:54 GMT -5
I'm not getting into this argument again but the protector is a powerful role and the inspector clearly didn't ask to be protected. I am reaching a breaking point. You need to stop being a smart ass. No chips the protector is a powerful role. But what the hell is the point of the protector who just protects himself. It doesn't matter if he didn't ask you. Once he told you that he was the protector you should of protected him. Why do you think he told you that he was the inspector. So he could be protected by you. It's your fault if you can't control your temper, anyway, I followed the command of someone I trusted who was also a powerful player.
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Post by Star on Nov 1, 2013 17:14:07 GMT -5
Scum don't always take out big players. Half the time they just go for weak players that don't do anything to give no hints to the loyals So that's why the inactive players always stay alive until the end? Inactives stay alive until the end because they don't do anything. Players that are somewhat active but aren't huge are targeted.
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Post by Potato on Nov 1, 2013 17:14:08 GMT -5
Proof for my loyalty: 1. I advised Wolffe how to make up for revealing his role (what I believe to be a mistake) by making sure he inspector stays hidden, as scum I wouldn't have done that obviously. 2. Ventress, the inspector, trusted me. 3. I was certain Ventress would be protected as she only seemed to want to contact Wolffe so he could protect her. So I would never have tried to kill her. 4. I was the only person to vote on day 2. While I actually intended to get other people to vote, but that didn't happen. If I hadn't done that nothing would have happened. 5. I've send PMs to pretty much everyone, why would a scum have PMs with this many people? 6. I don't have any allies. Only Nam and Wolffe seemed to trust me at some point, but Nam died and was the inspector and Wolffe is the protector. So if I was scum, who would be my allies? 1. Anyone can do that. 2. It's been proven that Ventress doesn't have the best judgement. 3. Good reason. 4. Good reason. 5. PM sending doesn't really have anything to do with loyalty. 6. You have allies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 17:15:23 GMT -5
Proof for my loyalty: 1. I advised Wolffe how to make up for revealing his role (what I believe to be a mistake) by making sure he inspector stays hidden, as scum I wouldn't have done that obviously. 2. Ventress, the inspector, trusted me. 3. I was certain Ventress would be protected as she only seemed to want to contact Wolffe so he could protect her. So I would never have tried to kill her. 4. I was the only person to vote on day 2. While I actually intended to get other people to vote, but that didn't happen. If I hadn't done that nothing would have happened. 5. I've send PMs to pretty much everyone, why would a scum have PMs with this many people? 6. I don't have any allies. Only Nam and Wolffe seemed to trust me at some point, but Nam died and was the inspector and Wolffe is the protector. So if I was scum, who would be my allies? Ventress trusting you doesn't mean squat. Nam trusted people last time and he ended up dead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 17:17:24 GMT -5
I am reaching a breaking point. You need to stop being a smart ass. No chips the protector is a powerful role. But what the hell is the point of the protector who just protects himself. It doesn't matter if he didn't ask you. Once he told you that he was the protector you should of protected him. Why do you think he told you that he was the inspector. So he could be protected by you. It's your fault if you can't control your temper, anyway, I followed the command of someone I trusted who was also a powerful player. Well good job. You fucked us all over. We don't have an inspector. Thanks
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Post by Star on Nov 1, 2013 17:17:51 GMT -5
Proof for my loyalty: 1. I advised Wolffe how to make up for revealing his role (what I believe to be a mistake) by making sure he inspector stays hidden, as scum I wouldn't have done that obviously. 2. Ventress, the inspector, trusted me. 3. I was certain Ventress would be protected as she only seemed to want to contact Wolffe so he could protect her. So I would never have tried to kill her. 4. I was the only person to vote on day 2. While I actually intended to get other people to vote, but that didn't happen. If I hadn't done that nothing would have happened. 5. I've send PMs to pretty much everyone, why would a scum have PMs with this many people? 6. I don't have any allies. Only Nam and Wolffe seemed to trust me at some point, but Nam died and was the inspector and Wolffe is the protector. So if I was scum, who would be my allies? 1. Iffy 2. Inspectors have been known to make mistakes. 3. Maybe you decided to chance it. 4. You voted near the end of voting. You realized that no one was going to so you probably decided to take out a possible loyal. 5. Manipulation. 6. Scum alienate themselves from their members most of the time. This isn't odd at all.
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 17:19:06 GMT -5
It's your fault if you can't control your temper, anyway, I followed the command of someone I trusted who was also a powerful player. Well good job. You Potato is Awesomeed us all over. We don't have an inspector. Thanks Thank you, I pride myself in my work, now if you're through with your whining, we need to decide who we will vote for and only sensible discussion will help us find scum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 17:22:58 GMT -5
Well good job. You Potato is Awesomeed us all over. We don't have an inspector. Thanks Thank you, I pride myself in my work, now if you're through with your whining, we need to decide who we will vote for and only sensible discussion will help us find scum. You know who could've found the scum...the inspector.
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:25:56 GMT -5
Your evidence was dumb... not mine. So, this is dumb...? 1 called you out for saying you're loyal but then saying that you're still suspicous 2 noting how you're the only one that knew Nam was inspector on day 1 3 continuously stating how scum would always take the chance and vote off a power player (nam) 4 let's say that our spots were reversed for this PM with Nam. You wouldn't be stressing that the scum always take out power players first, would you? You'd be accusing me of being scum since I knew that nam was inspector and he died. 5 you are also defending yourself with the scum taking out big players theory too 6 I say that the lack of discussion is sad. So then you say "start some." 7 I start discussion. I have to make accusations, since all other forms of starting it have failed. I happen to accuse you and them you say that this isn't the way to start discussion(yet you told me to). 8 then you accuse me of diverting attention from Plo when I didn't even know why I was suspicous. Well, that same argument can be made against you. You're stating that to divert attention from yourself. Not to mention I also suspected you slightly yesterday, so it's not like I accused you out of nowhere. 9 you then claim Plo and I are scum. This makes no sense. I didn't know why he was suspicous. I even asked it several times yesterday and today! And when I finally knew I thought it was a little suspicous but nothing serious. 10 you also then abandon that idea to say that you're voting me. Before you had no intention of doing so. But when I happen to accuse you, you suddenly want to vote me. You're obviously hoping others will agree with you but notice how no one has openly agreed with you yet? 11 if I had done these accusations to someone else, you wouldn't have jumped to voting me so quickly. 12 and even though I did suspect you, you could've done more to defend yourself then just decide to vote me. This just shows that you're nervous and hope others will follow you. Number your points next time, makes it easier for me to reply. 1. I already told you plenty of times I said I didn't suspect myself, but I didn't say you can't suspect me. 2. Okay, that's true. But I didn't know Wolffe would protect himself. 3. It's true, it happens in a lot of games. Namialus is a good loyalist, he proofed this last game. 4. I would have looked at both possibilities, but as long as you didn't do anything suspicious I'd not accuse you of being scum. 5. Yes I use that theory, among others. Why wouldn't I? 6. Well, you were complaining about the lack of discussion but you could have started one instead of just complaining about it. But you've been inactive for most of the game. 7. What other forms? Saying there's no discussing going on? And I told you your evidence was horribly bad, which by the way made you look like scum to me because no smart loyalists would use proof that bad. I told you it was a bad way to start a discussion because you said you only used it to start a discussion. 8. Diverting attention from yourself is something any player would do. And Potato was also on my suspect list, so it was suspicious to me how you defended him. 9. Well, that's your opinion. I think it's one of the most convincing pieces of evidence... mainly because hardly anything happened during day 1 and 2 because most people are inactive and I was the only one to vote on day 2, and most people didn't vote on day 1 either. 10. Because your accusation made no sense, you kept using the same evidence against me, but it didn't make much sense and I already told you many times why I listed myself as loyal, yet you kept ignoring that, you didn't even reply to it. That seems scummy to me. And the fact that no one agrees with me makes me look more loyal, not more scummy. 11. Actually I would, they didn't make sense. 12. Of course I'm nervous, 4-5 loyalists died, we can't afford many more mistakes and you're pushing a vote for me, and I know I'm loyal.
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 17:27:33 GMT -5
Thank you, I pride myself in my work, now if you're through with your whining, we need to decide who we will vote for and only sensible discussion will help us find scum. You know who could've found the scum...the inspector. Nam did actually have inspection results that found a scum, but since he died he couldn't tell.
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:29:30 GMT -5
1. Iffy 2. Inspectors have been known to make mistakes. 3. Maybe you decided to chance it. 4. You voted near the end of voting. You realized that no one was going to so you probably decided to take out a possible loyal. 5. Manipulation. 6. Scum alienate themselves from their members most of the time. This isn't odd at all. 3. Why? I'll forward you the PM I had with Nam and you'll see that I had to be certain he was being protected... why would I risk killing him if he was almost certainly protected? If I was scum I would have killed Wolffe. 4. I voted about 2-3 hours before voting would end. I hoped to encourage other people to vote, it wasn't my fault no one did. 6. But they do have allies, no one is really connected to me...
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:30:27 GMT -5
You know who could've found the scum...the inspector. Nam did actually have inspection results that found a scum, but since he died he couldn't tell. Yes he did have "interesting results" so probably he found scum, but who would Nam inspect?
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 17:31:40 GMT -5
Nam did actually have inspection results that found a scum, but since he died he couldn't tell. Yes he did have "interesting results" so probably he found scum, but who would Nam inspect? Well probably not a powerful player because they would be protected from inspection by their leader, so he probably went for a weaker player who could be scum and someone the leader wouldn't protect from inspection.
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:33:16 GMT -5
Yes he did have "interesting results" so probably he found scum, but who would Nam inspect? Well probably not a powerful player because they would be protected from inspection by their leader, so he probably went for a weaker player who could be scum and someone the leader wouldn't protect from inspection. Probably, but that won't really help us at this point. There are quite a lot of inactive players that would have made good targets for Nam.
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:34:41 GMT -5
Proof for my loyalty: 1. I advised Wolffe how to make up for revealing his role (what I believe to be a mistake) by making sure he inspector stays hidden, as scum I wouldn't have done that obviously. 2. Ventress, the inspector, trusted me. 3. I was certain Ventress would be protected as she only seemed to want to contact Wolffe so he could protect her. So I would never have tried to kill her. 4. I was the only person to vote on day 2. While I actually intended to get other people to vote, but that didn't happen. If I hadn't done that nothing would have happened. 5. I've send PMs to pretty much everyone, why would a scum have PMs with this many people? 6. I don't have any allies. Only Nam and Wolffe seemed to trust me at some point, but Nam died and was the inspector and Wolffe is the protector. So if I was scum, who would be my allies? 1. Anyone can do that. 2. It's been proven that Ventress doesn't have the best judgement. 3. Good reason. 4. Good reason. 5. PM sending doesn't really have anything to do with loyalty. 6. You have allies. 2. Certainly true 6. Who would that be?
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Post by Star on Nov 1, 2013 17:34:51 GMT -5
1. Iffy 2. Inspectors have been known to make mistakes. 3. Maybe you decided to chance it. 4. You voted near the end of voting. You realized that no one was going to so you probably decided to take out a possible loyal. 5. Manipulation. 6. Scum alienate themselves from their members most of the time. This isn't odd at all. 3. Why? I'll forward you the PM I had with Nam and you'll see that I had to be certain he was being protected... why would I risk killing him if he was almost certainly protected? If I was scum I would have killed Wolffe. 4. I voted about 2-3 hours before voting would end. I hoped to encourage other people to vote, it wasn't my fault no one did. 6. But they do have allies, no one is really connected to me... 3. I suppose that makes sense. 4. Still, no one appeared to want to do it before or after you voted. 6. Some scum can be like that. I for one am not connected to anyone, so you're saying that I could be scum for a same reason as you.
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 1, 2013 17:36:05 GMT -5
To me, Pinda/Even could easily be scum as he was in that PM and could have told his scum teammates that Nam was inspector... But on the other hand, the scum could've just randomly killed Nam, a powerful player best to get out of the way.. EDIT: OOC sorry if I say some crazy stuff... I had to read through a few pages and might've missed things..
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Post by Potato on Nov 1, 2013 17:36:09 GMT -5
1. Anyone can do that. 2. It's been proven that Ventress doesn't have the best judgement. 3. Good reason. 4. Good reason. 5. PM sending doesn't really have anything to do with loyalty. 6. You have allies. 2. Certainly true 6. Who would that be? Wolffe, Ahsoka, Gree I think.
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:37:44 GMT -5
2. Certainly true 6. Who would that be? Wolffe, Ahsoka, Gree I think. But Wolffe is the protector, and Gree didn't even do anything...
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:39:43 GMT -5
Forwarded my PM with Nam to everyone that hadn't seen it yet.
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Post by Fisto on Nov 1, 2013 17:41:05 GMT -5
VOTING IS OPEN for 24 hours
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:41:10 GMT -5
3. Why? I'll forward you the PM I had with Nam and you'll see that I had to be certain he was being protected... why would I risk killing him if he was almost certainly protected? If I was scum I would have killed Wolffe. 4. I voted about 2-3 hours before voting would end. I hoped to encourage other people to vote, it wasn't my fault no one did. 6. But they do have allies, no one is really connected to me... 3. I suppose that makes sense. 4. Still, no one appeared to want to do it before or after you voted. 6. Some scum can be like that. I for one am not connected to anyone, so you're saying that I could be scum for a same reason as you. 4. Usually someone starts voting and people follow (Nam starts it very often... but he was dead). I hoped my vote would get other people to vote. 6. I'd say you're connected to Potato.
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 17:41:34 GMT -5
Soooo, who will vote first?
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:42:29 GMT -5
Soooo, who will vote first? I'll vote after some more discussing.
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Post by bane on Nov 1, 2013 17:42:44 GMT -5
Wolffe, Ahsoka, Gree I think. But Wolffe is the protector, and Gree didn't even do anything... You forgot the part about Ahsoka agreeing with everything that comes out of your mouth.
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:44:53 GMT -5
But Wolffe is the protector, and Gree didn't even do anything... You forgot the part about Ahsoka agreeing with everything that comes out of your mouth. She does? I didn't notice that... I thought she was accusing me too earlier.
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 1, 2013 17:46:26 GMT -5
Okay... Well I saw the PM and it looked like Pinda first suggested the plan to have Boba protect himself... Then Nam and Boba must've agreed with that since Nam died... This plan could've easily been suggested by a scum though but idk..
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