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Post by Potato on Nov 1, 2013 16:52:40 GMT -5
You wanna see our PM? I can forwarded it to you. It basically goes like this: Ventress: Hi, I screwed up by voting you last game so I'm starting a convo this game. Me: Cool. There's nothing to talk about. Ventress: Oh. Me: Yeah. FIN You're also forgetting that I wasn't told by Ventress she was the inspector. Even was. But didn't Ventress invite you to a PM that said she was the inspector? If you weren't in any PM with Ventress about the whole protector/Wolffe/ inspector thing, then I don't see why there is suspicions on you. Exactly. I wasn't told she was the inspector until Day 2. |
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Post by Star on Nov 1, 2013 16:52:41 GMT -5
But has anyone realized that Even was the only unconfirmed loyal on Day 1 to know that Ventress was the inspector? And then she happens to be killed. I mean, this is suspicous. Why would the scum go for a big player like Ventress on Day 1? Especially when they don't know her role? But little Even here (no pun intended) happened to know this and if he was scum, he could've reported it to his scum mates and killed her. Then he could use the excuse that the scum killed her because she's a powerful player.
So all in all, I think I'm now voting Even.
EDIT: Now not Not.
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Post by Cad Bane (Dark) on Nov 1, 2013 16:52:53 GMT -5
So pinda and potato were in PM. Pinda knew that he was the inspector, so he could of killed him, BUT I think pinda would've thought the protector would've protected nam so he may of not tried to kill him. So nam could've been killed at random. True. Sence Nam is an experienced player and makes strong accusations, the scum want him gone. But who would be so bold? |
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Post by bane on Nov 1, 2013 16:53:53 GMT -5
So you're saying that because Nam was inspector, they would steer clear of him? Wouldn't that make them want to target them more? I'm confused. I'm saying that if they knew Nam was the inspector they would have presumed I was protecting him and wouldn't have killed him, but the fact they did kill Nam means they probably didn't know who the inspector was and killed at random hoping Nam wasn't the inspector. Did you perhaps tell Nam you planned to protect yourself? Since he trusted Pinda, he might have passed the information along to him. |
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Post by Star on Nov 1, 2013 16:54:09 GMT -5
I'm saying that if they knew Nam was the inspector they would have presumed I was protecting him and wouldn't have killed him, but the fact they did kill Nam means they probably didn't know who the inspector was and killed at random hoping Nam wasn't the inspector. Indeed. I think the scum just got very lucky... And you kinda just proved my theory... |
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Post by Potato on Nov 1, 2013 16:54:54 GMT -5
But didn't Ventress invite you to a PM that said she was the inspector? If you weren't in any PM with Ventress about the whole protector/Wolffe/ inspector thing, then I don't see why there is suspicions on you. I'm only suspicious of Plo Koon because he said he trusted Wolffe in public when I accused him of accusing Wolffe, our protector, but then after reading through my PM with Nam Plo suddenly began accusing Wolffe again in PM. I can send you the PM if you want, I already forwarded it to Malgus, Bane and Wolffe earlier. Well you yourself said in your PM that you thought Wolffe could be lying. The reason I thought he could be scum was because he knew about the plan and never protected Nam even though you said he was supposed to. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 16:55:49 GMT -5
I'm saying that if they knew Nam was the inspector they would have presumed I was protecting him and wouldn't have killed him, but the fact they did kill Nam means they probably didn't know who the inspector was and killed at random hoping Nam wasn't the inspector. Did you perhaps tell Nam you planned to protect yourself? Since he trusted Pinda, he might have passed the information along to him. I did not give any reply to the comment where Nam suggested I protect myself. |
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Post by Cad Bane (Dark) on Nov 1, 2013 16:56:44 GMT -5
Hmmm it does make Even look suspicious. But is he worth voting?
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Post by bane on Nov 1, 2013 16:57:14 GMT -5
But has anyone realized that Even was the only unconfirmed loyal on Day 1 to know that Ventress was the inspector? And then she happens to be killed. I mean, this is suspicous. Why would the scum go for a big player like Ventress on Day 1? Especially when they don't know her role? But little Even here (no pun intended) happened to know this and if he was scum, he could've reported it to his scum mates and killed her. Then he could use the excuse that the scum killed her because she's a powerful player. So all in all, I think I'm now voting Even. EDIT: Now not Not. That's what I was thinking. No one can deny that Pinda was the only other person besides our protector that knew Nam was inspector. I think that they knew it was a risky move, but also that if they succeeded they would kill two birds with one stone. (a good player and the inspector) Also, I noticed that Pinda kept stressing that the scum might have just killed Nam just because he was a good player. This backs up what I'm saying. |
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 16:58:06 GMT -5
But has anyone realized that Even was the only unconfirmed loyal on Day 1 to know that Ventress was the inspector? And then she happens to be killed. I mean, this is suspicous. Why would the scum go for a big player like Ventress on Day 1? Especially when they don't know her role? But little Even here (no pun intended) happened to know this and if he was scum, he could've reported it to his scum mates and killed her. Then he could use the excuse that the scum killed her because she's a powerful player. So all in all, I think I'm now voting Even. EDIT: Now not Not. But taking down big players on day 1 is exactly what a normal scum team would do... they'd take out the threats first. And I thought Ventress would be protected, so obviously if I were scum I would have told my teammates to attack somebody else. I can forward you my PM with Ventress if you want (and if I didn't do that already). |
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Post by bane on Nov 1, 2013 16:58:20 GMT -5
Hmmm it does make Even look suspicious. But is he worth voting? Yes. Read the evidence I just posed. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 16:58:43 GMT -5
I did not give Nam any hint I would protect myself.
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Post by Star on Nov 1, 2013 16:58:46 GMT -5
Hmmm it does make Even look suspicious. But is he worth voting? Well, with crappy evidence against me, dumb PM evidence against Plo, and nothing else, the answer is yes. |
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Post by bane on Nov 1, 2013 16:59:20 GMT -5
OOC: I'll be going now, see you all later.(When I get home)
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 16:59:31 GMT -5
Hmmm it does make Even look suspicious. But is he worth voting? Well, with crappy evidence against me, dumb PM evidence against Plo, and nothing else, the answer is yes. Your evidence was dumb... not mine. |
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Post by Star on Nov 1, 2013 16:59:58 GMT -5
But has anyone realized that Even was the only unconfirmed loyal on Day 1 to know that Ventress was the inspector? And then she happens to be killed. I mean, this is suspicous. Why would the scum go for a big player like Ventress on Day 1? Especially when they don't know her role? But little Even here (no pun intended) happened to know this and if he was scum, he could've reported it to his scum mates and killed her. Then he could use the excuse that the scum killed her because she's a powerful player. So all in all, I think I'm now voting Even. EDIT: Now not Not. But taking down big players on day 1 is exactly what a normal scum team would do... they'd take out the threats first. And I thought Ventress would be protected, so obviously if I were scum I would have told my teammates to attack somebody else. I can forward you my PM with Ventress if you want (and if I didn't do that already). Scum don't always take out big players. Half the time they just go for weak players that don't do anything to give no hints to the loyals |
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:00:42 GMT -5
I'm only suspicious of Plo Koon because he said he trusted Wolffe in public when I accused him of accusing Wolffe, our protector, but then after reading through my PM with Nam Plo suddenly began accusing Wolffe again in PM. I can send you the PM if you want, I already forwarded it to Malgus, Bane and Wolffe earlier. Well you yourself said in your PM that you thought Wolffe could be lying. The reason I thought he could be scum was because he knew about the plan and never protected Nam even though you said he was supposed to. I thought Wolffe could be lying early on day 1, but by day 2 I was pretty much certain of him being loyal. |
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Post by Pinda on Nov 1, 2013 17:01:23 GMT -5
But taking down big players on day 1 is exactly what a normal scum team would do... they'd take out the threats first. And I thought Ventress would be protected, so obviously if I were scum I would have told my teammates to attack somebody else. I can forward you my PM with Ventress if you want (and if I didn't do that already). Scum don't always take out big players. Half the time they just go for weak players that don't do anything to give no hints to the loyals So that's why the inactive players always stay alive until the end? |
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Post by Cad Bane (Dark) on Nov 1, 2013 17:03:10 GMT -5
Wait, didn't Ventress want Wolffe to protect himself. You can't blame Wolffe then. He followed an inspector's order.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 17:03:57 GMT -5
I did not give Nam any hint I would protect myself. Didn't he tell you to protect yourself? |
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Post by Cad Bane (Dark) on Nov 1, 2013 17:04:11 GMT -5
OOC: When will voting come up?
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 17:04:46 GMT -5
Wait, didn't Ventress want Wolffe to protect himself. You can't blame Wolffe then. He followed an inspector's order. This exactly the point I've been trying to get across, I followed the orders of not only an inspector but a powerful player, Nam didn't ask me to protect him, if he did I would have, but he didn't. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 17:05:05 GMT -5
I did not give Nam any hint I would protect myself. Didn't he tell you to protect yourself? Yes but I didn't reply to that comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 17:05:08 GMT -5
Wait, didn't Ventress want Wolffe to protect himself. You can't blame Wolffe then. He followed an inspector's order. We are not getting into this again. Wollfe did a bad move and that's that. Don't come in here inactive and start up old arguments. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 17:05:24 GMT -5
OOC: When will voting come up? OOC: I hope it will be soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 17:06:28 GMT -5
Wait, didn't Ventress want Wolffe to protect himself. You can't blame Wolffe then. He followed an inspector's order. This exactly the point I've been trying to get across, I followed the orders of not only an inspector but a powerful player, Nam didn't ask me to protect him, if he did I would have, but he didn't. The point of a protector is to protect powerful roles instead of yourself. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 17:07:16 GMT -5
This exactly the point I've been trying to get across, I followed the orders of not only an inspector but a powerful player, Nam didn't ask me to protect him, if he did I would have, but he didn't. The point of a protector is to protect powerful roles instead of yourself. I'm not getting into this argument again but the protector is a powerful role and the inspector clearly didn't ask to be protected. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 17:08:00 GMT -5
But taking down big players on day 1 is exactly what a normal scum team would do... they'd take out the threats first. And I thought Ventress would be protected, so obviously if I were scum I would have told my teammates to attack somebody else. I can forward you my PM with Ventress if you want (and if I didn't do that already). Scum don't always take out big players. Half the time they just go for weak players that don't do anything to give no hints to the loyals True. Nam is a power play and he has been loyal lately and the scum didn't take him out the first day. |
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Post by bobafett590 on Nov 1, 2013 17:09:29 GMT -5
Scum don't always take out big players. Half the time they just go for weak players that don't do anything to give no hints to the loyals True. Nam is a power play and he has been loyal lately and the scum didn't take him out the first day. The roles are randomly assigned and the scum usually do think of taking him out. OOC: On my time of being scum (TOOO), Namialus was one of the first people we thought we should target. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 17:10:37 GMT -5
The point of a protector is to protect powerful roles instead of yourself. I'm not getting into this argument again but the protector is a powerful role and the inspector clearly didn't ask to be protected. I am reaching a breaking point. You need to stop being a smart ass. No chips the protector is a powerful role. But what the hell is the point of the protector who just protects himself. It doesn't matter if he didn't ask you. Once he told you that he was the protector you should of protected him. Why do you think he told you that he was the inspector. So he could be protected by you. |
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it’s been quite a while. I’ve been pretty good, how about yourself? 