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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on May 31, 2013 9:37:21 GMT -5
I saw Yoda vs. Sidious and couldn't resist. I'm pressed for time, so I'll post my opinion later.
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Post by Newan on May 31, 2013 9:44:47 GMT -5
Ill Analyze this in a second. First I'm going to move this to Star Wars section.
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Post by Newan on May 31, 2013 10:09:03 GMT -5
Alright first of all this isn't really a fair contest in a 1v1 fight as much as I like Grievous well Mace Windu would wipe the floor with him. Mace was the best blade master in the order at time he mastered all seven lightsaber forms and created his own form Vapaad. He was also the only one too successfully be able to use Vapaad even the co creators of it couldn't handle the form as it brought them too close to the dark side. Grievous on the other hand was trained in many forms but was sloppy and he couldn't coordinate them all in a perfect fighting fashion he was able to overwhelm his enemy's as most Jedi couldn't defend against all 4 of his arms. Even Count Dooku who was Grievous mentor said he wouldn't be a match for Windu or Yoda. Windu even managed to take down Sidious in lightsaber combat.
Now Windu also has the force which is a major advantage over Grievous and that is shown when he used force crush to severely injure Greivous. Windu also was able to use Shatterpoint which is the ability to find a weakness in a enemy or object and be able to exploit that weakness this is one of the reasons he beat Sidious. Now in a fight Windu would have much better fight smarts than Grievous he was a skilled tactician but he was also reckless though Grievous was able to counter and match people's fighting styles in his mind. Grievous is a dangerous enemy because of his cyborg enhancements but against a skilled warrior like Windu he would get destroyed. Grievous may be able to defeat dozens of padawans and Knights but he wouldn't be able to defeat any master on the Jedi council.
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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on May 31, 2013 11:42:09 GMT -5
Ill Analyze this in a second. First I'm going to move this to Star Wars section. Oops! Fail on my part. |
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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on May 31, 2013 11:48:53 GMT -5
Alright first of all this isn't really a fair contest in a 1v1 fight as much as I like Grievous well Mace Windu would wipe the floor with him. Mace was the best blade master in the order at time he mastered all seven lightsaber forms and created his own form Vapaad. He was also the only one too successfully be able to use Vapaad even the co creators of it couldn't handle the form as it brought them too close to the dark side. Grievous on the other hand was trained in many forms but was sloppy and he couldn't coordinate them all in a perfect fighting fashion he was able to overwhelm his enemy's as most Jedi couldn't defend against all 4 of his arms. Even Count Dooku who was Grievous mentor said he wouldn't be a match for Windu or Yoda. Windu even managed to take down Sidious in lightsaber combat. Now Windu also has the force which is a major advantage over Grievous and that is shown when he used force crush to severely injure Greivous. Windu also was able to use Shatterpoint which is the ability to find a weakness in a enemy or object and be able to exploit that weakness this is one of the reasons he beat Sidious. Now in a fight Windu would have much better fight smarts than Grievous he was a skilled tactician but he was also reckless though Grievous was able to counter and match people's fighting styles in his mind. Grievous is a dangerous enemy because of his cyborg enhancements but against a skilled warrior like Windu he would get destroyed. Grievous may be able to defeat dozens of padawans and Knights but he wouldn't be able to defeat any master on the Jedi council. Hmm... I agree with you, and you even brought up points I didn't think of, but I disagree with the last sentence. (Skip to 6:47) |
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Post by Newan on May 31, 2013 11:51:25 GMT -5
Alright first of all this isn't really a fair contest in a 1v1 fight as much as I like Grievous well Mace Windu would wipe the floor with him. Mace was the best blade master in the order at time he mastered all seven lightsaber forms and created his own form Vapaad. He was also the only one too successfully be able to use Vapaad even the co creators of it couldn't handle the form as it brought them too close to the dark side. Grievous on the other hand was trained in many forms but was sloppy and he couldn't coordinate them all in a perfect fighting fashion he was able to overwhelm his enemy's as most Jedi couldn't defend against all 4 of his arms. Even Count Dooku who was Grievous mentor said he wouldn't be a match for Windu or Yoda. Windu even managed to take down Sidious in lightsaber combat. Now Windu also has the force which is a major advantage over Grievous and that is shown when he used force crush to severely injure Greivous. Windu also was able to use Shatterpoint which is the ability to find a weakness in a enemy or object and be able to exploit that weakness this is one of the reasons he beat Sidious. Now in a fight Windu would have much better fight smarts than Grievous he was a skilled tactician but he was also reckless though Grievous was able to counter and match people's fighting styles in his mind. Grievous is a dangerous enemy because of his cyborg enhancements but against a skilled warrior like Windu he would get destroyed. Grievous may be able to defeat dozens of padawans and Knights but he wouldn't be able to defeat any master on the Jedi council. Hmm... I agree with you, and you even brought up points I didn't think of, but I disagree with the last sentence. (Skip to 6:47) I'm not sure i consider much of the Overpowered Grievous to be realistic. |
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Post by Scruffy the Clone (Scruffy) on May 31, 2013 11:52:45 GMT -5
Hmm... I agree with you, and you even brought up points I didn't think of, but I disagree with the last sentence. (Skip to 6:47) I'm not sure i consider much of the Overpowered Grievous to be realistic. It was the first grievous, though the official cannon is the movies, which did nerf him... |
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Post by Potato on May 31, 2013 13:18:19 GMT -5
Grievous in the movies is the official one though, and Mace even said himself that Grievous would run and hide from the jedi because he was a coward. Of course, who wouldn't be when you're put up against force sensitive beings while you yourself are not? Grievous still is a fairly good duelist but one of the reasons for that is because he always has 2-4 lightsabers in hand. Now, if he had one and had to go against a jedi, well, he'd be screwed. Although him having four and going up against Mace would really make no difference to me, Mace is the obvious winner. Mace vs. Palpatine was about even, and then Palpatine can beat Dooku, and Dooku can beat Grievous. In fact, him and Grievous even had a little mini fight in the original animated series. It wasn't really a fight though because all Mace had to do was just force crush Grievous' organs, but it still proves that he could beat Grievous by lightsaber or the force. So yes, definitely Mace.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 17:20:49 GMT -5
Grievous would get destroyed. There wouldn't even be no fight because grievous would run from the first sight of mace.
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Post by Kenbo on May 31, 2013 17:24:36 GMT -5
Grievous would get destroyed. There wouldn't even be no fight because grievous would run from the first sight of mace. Yeah, a coward like Grievous probably wouldn't even try to duel one of the most skilled Jedi Masters on the High Council... And even if he did... He would still lose.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 17:27:15 GMT -5
Grievous would get destroyed. There wouldn't even be no fight because grievous would run from the first sight of mace. Yeah, a coward like Grievous probably wouldn't even try to duel one of the most skilled Jedi Masters on the High Council... And even if he did... He would still lose. He maybe wouldn't of run actually. Grievous is very stupid and cocky. When he went against obi he thought he would win. But then he ran. Obi is very skilled. Like mace. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 17:27:41 GMT -5
I have a feeling that if the two got into a duel with each other then Grevious would either flee and run or cheat and have his army cover for him. Stand alone he's not that powerful. The Gungans realized that in Shadow warrior as well. They shut down Grevious' army and after he was captured when standing alone. To me he's more talk then game. But is good in some instances.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 17:29:29 GMT -5
I have a feeling that if the two got into a duel with each other then Grevious would either flee and run or cheat and have his army cover for him. Stand alone he's not that powerful. The Gungans realized that in Shadow warrior as well. They shut down Grevious' army and after he was captured when standing alone. To me he's more talk then game. But is good in some instances. But is good in some instances: Ya, like running away from the fights. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 17:30:36 GMT -5
I have a feeling that if the two got into a duel with each other then Grevious would either flee and run or cheat and have his army cover for him. Stand alone he's not that powerful. The Gungans realized that in Shadow warrior as well. They shut down Grevious' army and after he was captured when standing alone. To me he's more talk then game. But is good in some instances. But is good in some instances: Ya, like running away from the fights. Ok coward. But in hand to hand combat he can destroy. |
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Post by Star on Jun 1, 2013 8:54:42 GMT -5
Mace by far. He has the force, is one of the best Jedi, and Grievous would probably just run away, or rely on his droids.
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Post by Pinda on Jun 1, 2013 9:18:08 GMT -5
I have a feeling that if the two got into a duel with each other then Grevious would either flee and run or cheat and have his army cover for him. Stand alone he's not that powerful. The Gungans realized that in Shadow warrior as well. They shut down Grevious' army and after he was captured when standing alone. To me he's more talk then game. But is good in some instances. There is no cheating during a war... And isn't using the force a bit like cheating too? Without the force Mace would die within 5 minutes in a duel with Grievous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 9:23:28 GMT -5
I have a feeling that if the two got into a duel with each other then Grevious would either flee and run or cheat and have his army cover for him. Stand alone he's not that powerful. The Gungans realized that in Shadow warrior as well. They shut down Grevious' army and after he was captured when standing alone. To me he's more talk then game. But is good in some instances. There is no cheating during a war... And isn't using the force a bit like cheating too? Without the force Mace would die within 5 minutes in a duel with Grievous. Very good points. But the way I see it is him running away and relying on his army is more like Mace against some droids not a true duel. He lost to a couple of Gungans as said already above without his army at hand. So I'm not sure if he would lose in five minutes necessarily. |
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Post by Star on Jun 2, 2013 8:35:57 GMT -5
How would Mace loose to Grievous without the force, when he beat Sidious without hardly using it. Sidious used it greatly in that duel, yet he still lost.
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Post by Whitespine on Jun 4, 2013 20:44:57 GMT -5
As much as I love General Grievous (and I really love the dude) it has to be Mace. Mace is so much more powerful and he has the Force. I'm pretty sure you all saw what he did to Grievous in Star Wars: Clone Wars. And keep in mind that Grievous was overpowered in that series (which just made him more awesome, IMO).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 20:47:39 GMT -5
As much as I love General Grievous (and I really love the dude) it has to be Mace. Mace is so much more powerful and he has the Force. I'm pretty sure you all saw what he did to Grievous in Star Wars: Clone Wars. And keep in mind that Grievous was overpowered in that series (which just made him more awesome, IMO). Honest to god forgot what /mace did to Grevious? |
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Post by Namialus on Jun 4, 2013 20:49:20 GMT -5
..............Is this even a question.................
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Post by Whitespine on Jun 4, 2013 20:50:36 GMT -5
As much as I love General Grievous (and I really love the dude) it has to be Mace. Mace is so much more powerful and he has the Force. I'm pretty sure you all saw what he did to Grievous in Star Wars: Clone Wars. And keep in mind that Grievous was overpowered in that series (which just made him more awesome, IMO). Honest to god forgot what /mace did to Grevious? He Force Crushed his lungs giving him his cough. But that isn't considered cannon. |
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Post by Star on Jun 5, 2013 6:08:05 GMT -5
Honest to god forgot what /mace did to Grevious? He Force Crushed his lungs giving him his cough. But that isn't considered cannon. Really? I never heard that before. But it sure sounds cool.  |
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Post by bane on Jun 5, 2013 9:29:56 GMT -5
For once, I'm actually going to analyze this battle. Lightsaber combat: Mace uses a very aggressive and physically demanding forum of lightsaber combat, namely Vapad. Grevious, on the other hand, relies on his four lightsabers to be to much for any of his opponents, and to my mind, doesn't really use any specific forum of lightsaber combat at all. Strength: Mace is strong for a human, and augments his blows with the force. Grevious, though not being force sensitive, is incredibly strong due to his cybernetic body. Force abilities: Mace: extremely strong. Grevious: lets not even go there. Agility: Mace practices Vapad, which is not totally unlike Ataru in the sense that it involves many flips, leaps, and roles. He also holds the record for longest leap at the Jedi temple. Grevious can jump long distances, but cannot enhance his movements with the force, so there is only so much he can achieve. Outcome: while the two might not be *miles* apart in several areas, Mace's skill with a lightsaber would be no match for Grevious, who practices no forum of lightsaber combat at all. It's like he's a failed attempt at an Niman master...........
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Jun 5, 2013 10:14:04 GMT -5
As Unlimited said, Mace pretty much crippled Grievous without even drawing his blade. Even if they did fight, Mace would practically obliterate him. He has the force, his very own lightsaber style and even managed to defeat Sidious! I can't think of that many scenarios where Grievous would win.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 15:26:09 GMT -5
You guys seem to know about this duel between Mace and Grevious. I don't recall it but where did you guys come across such a story? Although I admit it was by the sounds of it a cool duel . Well I learned something new none the less. |
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Post by Namialus on Jun 7, 2013 20:38:21 GMT -5
You guys seem to know about this duel between Mace and Grevious. I don't recall it but where did you guys come across such a story? Although I admit it was by the sounds of it a cool duel . Well I learned something new none the less. It was in the old CW microseries.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 20:44:26 GMT -5
You guys seem to know about this duel between Mace and Grevious. I don't recall it but where did you guys come across such a story? Although I admit it was by the sounds of it a cool duel . Well I learned something new none the less. It was in the old CW microseries. That would explain why. I never watched that I only watched the The Clone Wars not the old version. I probably should though. But where? |
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Post by Namialus on Jun 7, 2013 20:45:27 GMT -5
It was in the old CW microseries. That would explain why. I never watched that I only watched the The Clone Wars not the old version. I probably should though. But where? If I remember correctly, it's a three part series which I'm sure you can find on YouTube. It was a fun show but don't expect amazing storylines like the ones on TCW.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 20:48:27 GMT -5
That would explain why. I never watched that I only watched the The Clone Wars not the old version. I probably should though. But where? If I remember correctly, it's a three part series which I'm sure you can find on YouTube. It was a fun show but don't expect amazing storylines like the ones on TCW. Yeah I heard some review for it already. Some were eh okay but from the sounds of it doesn't compare to what TCW offered. There was some talk on it on the site not to long ago I believe that's where I was discussing it as well. |
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