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Post by Kenbo on May 3, 2020 18:56:07 GMT -5
To discuss the final arc
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Post by Kenbo on May 3, 2020 19:04:13 GMT -5
Shit man idk. I guess I am disappointed. We started out so strong but then halfway through it just... Gets bad... First two episodes were amazing nothing but praise for them. Third episode started out really solid but imo it just slowed down too much in the middle. There was just no sense of danger when Ahsoka stops to remove Rex's chip. I think she should've just knocked him out, carried him or something and then remove the chip later. Idk
Then the finale... Super anticipated but super disappointing... They Game of Thrones'd it in my opinion. I don't think many people will agree but damn that just was not satisfying to me. Action packed beginning and then it's over. Literally nothing happens... There is no resolution. It just does not feel like an ending. We didn't know what happened to the characters when we saw them in Rebels and we still don't. I have no idea what they were going for. It basically seems like they are just telling you to watch ROTS and Rebels and read comics or whatever. I thought this would enhance ROTS but when you watch it it will still feel weird that Anakin seems like he forgot about Ahsoka. I think she and Rex should've just been written off before Order 66. In fact the show might've ended better if it ended before ROTS took place
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Post by Pinda on May 3, 2020 20:21:22 GMT -5
Well, I wouldn't say it was Game of Thrones levels of bad. Not anywhere near that. It was not terrible, it did not ruin the characters... it was just mediocre and didn't feel like a finale. This arc probably needed two more episodes.
Also, Rebels ruined so much. If that didn't exist there would be more suspense, there could be an interesting post-ROTS series following up on Maul, Ahsoka, Rex and others. But their paths are locked in place already...
It bothers me that the 3 core characters of this arc just flew away and that's it. We don't know where they went, or why or how they felt about what happened...
Also Rex was too eager to kill his fellow clones... like wtf?
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Post by Pinda on May 3, 2020 20:22:21 GMT -5
The first 2,5 episodes were absolute masterpieces. This will just leave a bad taste. But people will love it because it isn't as bad as the sequels.
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Post by Kenbo on May 3, 2020 20:22:24 GMT -5
Another thing is I wonder if this is the ending George had in mind or if Dave just did his own thing. George is a firm believer of happy endings as all his movies have them. Even the darkest ones, ROTS and TESB, had sort of hopeful endings.
TCW's ending is just empty. No hope, no hint towards the future. It's honestly crazy how, at least to me, The Wrong Jedi and Destiny were more satisfying endings to the show... Like I could see ROTS happening after either of those. So odd that the official end isn't at the same level
I think if George was still involved, Anakin would've had a bigger part in the ending. But Dave just has a massive boner for Rex and Ahsoka and thinks the show is only about them...
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Post by Kenbo on May 3, 2020 20:26:36 GMT -5
It bothers me that the 3 core characters of this arc just flew away and that's it. We don't know where they went, or why or how they felt about what happened... Also Rex was too eager to kill his fellow clones... like wtf? Yeah them merely surviving is not really an end for their characters. Maybe if we knew something was planned for them in the future but there isn't And yeah maybe Rex and Ahsoka could've lingered on the whole situation a bit more. I wouldn't say Rex was exactly eager he did stun them after all |
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Post by Newan on May 4, 2020 10:09:09 GMT -5
Like I said in the other post... this ending would have had much more significance if we saw everything. The Vader scene with the music was fantastic imo.
But they could still do a post ROTS series... it wouldn’t be that hard. Just we know nobody will die I suppose.
Honestly this arc feels like it deserves a 10 but I think it’s probably a 9 for me.
Old Friends Not Forgotten - 10/10
The Phantom Apprentice - 10/10
Shattered - 8/10
Victory and Death - 9/10
37/40 or 92%
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Post by Kenbo on May 4, 2020 10:16:30 GMT -5
Like I said in the other post... this ending would have had much more significance if we saw everything. The Vader scene with the music was fantastic imo. But they could still do a post ROTS series... it wouldn’t be that hard. Just we know nobody will die I suppose. Honestly this arc feels like it deserves a 10 but I think it’s probably a 9 for me. Old Friends Not Forgotten - 10/10 The Phantom Apprentice - 10/10 Shattered - 8/10 Victory and Death - 9/10 37/40 or 92% That's a pretty high rating for the last episode lol. Does that just come from the Vader scene? Because without it it's basically just the ship crash and nothing all that significant... I do agree the Vader scene was great. The last shot with the helmet is an absolutely beautiful image to end on couldn't be more perfect. But it feels like it's missing something like we should've gotten more before it Anyway honestly I think Rebels' finale was way better which I hate to say... |
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Post by Kenbo on May 4, 2020 10:20:39 GMT -5
For ratings I'll say
Old Friends Not Forgotten - 10/10
Phantom Apprentice - 10/10
Shattered - 7.5/10
Victory and Death - 6.5/10
I think after rewatching the whole thing again and putting my Anakin bias aside, Phantom Apprentice is my favorite. Then Old Friends and the other two in that order
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Post by Newan on May 4, 2020 10:22:16 GMT -5
Like I said in the other post... this ending would have had much more significance if we saw everything. The Vader scene with the music was fantastic imo. But they could still do a post ROTS series... it wouldn’t be that hard. Just we know nobody will die I suppose. Honestly this arc feels like it deserves a 10 but I think it’s probably a 9 for me. Old Friends Not Forgotten - 10/10 The Phantom Apprentice - 10/10 Shattered - 8/10 Victory and Death - 9/10 37/40 or 92% That's a pretty high rating for the last episode lol. Does that just come from the Vader scene? Because without it it's basically just the ship crash and nothing all that significant... I do agree the Vader scene was great. The last shot with the helmet is an absolutely beautiful image to end on couldn't be more perfect. But it feels like it's missing something like we should've gotten more before it Anyway honestly I think Rebels' finale was way better which I hate to say... Nah I loved the visuals, music and atmosphere of the last episode. It wasn’t that bad... I didn’t mind a bit of a narrow focus for it. There was some powerful imagery I thought. Little things like the clone helmets on sticks was a pretty good symbolic ending piece. Rebels did have a great ending tbh... there was a build up that all came together, even minor things had a meaning near the end if Rebels. |
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Post by Newan on May 4, 2020 10:32:13 GMT -5
But I do honestly think this this arc was altered to accommodate the long time span... I feel like Maul would have died or at least been presumed dead by this point. Like maybe he falls in Phantom Apprentice and disappears afterwards later to reappear after the empire rises. He wasn’t needed after episode 2.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on May 4, 2020 13:57:35 GMT -5
Another thing is I wonder if this is the ending George had in mind or if Dave just did his own thing. George is a firm believer of happy endings as all his movies have them. Even the darkest ones, ROTS and TESB, had sort of hopeful endings. TCW's ending is just empty. No hope, no hint towards the future. It's honestly crazy how, at least to me, The Wrong Jedi and Destiny were more satisfying endings to the show... Like I could see ROTS happening after either of those. So odd that the official end isn't at the same level I think if George was still involved, Anakin would've had a bigger part in the ending. But Dave just has a massive boner for Rex and Ahsoka and thinks the show is only about them... I'm fairly certain George had little involvement in the finer details with this. This finale, along with Rebels, Resistance and those Mando episodes he did make me wonder why people want him to be in charge of Lucasfilm  |
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Post by Kenbo on May 4, 2020 14:21:35 GMT -5
Another thing is I wonder if this is the ending George had in mind or if Dave just did his own thing. George is a firm believer of happy endings as all his movies have them. Even the darkest ones, ROTS and TESB, had sort of hopeful endings. TCW's ending is just empty. No hope, no hint towards the future. It's honestly crazy how, at least to me, The Wrong Jedi and Destiny were more satisfying endings to the show... Like I could see ROTS happening after either of those. So odd that the official end isn't at the same level I think if George was still involved, Anakin would've had a bigger part in the ending. But Dave just has a massive boner for Rex and Ahsoka and thinks the show is only about them... I'm fairly certain George had little involvement in the finer details with this. This finale, along with Rebels, Resistance and those Mando episodes he did make me wonder why people want him to be in charge of Lucasfilm I like to think he consults with George more than others do on his projects but who knows. But yeah I think he's really overrated. Obviously he'd be an improvement but still. Star Wars fans need to raise their standards |
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Post by Star on May 4, 2020 16:42:44 GMT -5
This arc moved at a brisk pace. It definitely could've had room for 1-2 more episodes, but I'm still really happy with what we got. Maul wasn't that essential after the second episode like Newan said, but he still works well enough in the third and fourth parts.
The narrow focus succeeds here, we had our broader one in ROTS. Ahsoka and Rex deserve the most attention and if the scope was larger, it might have weakened the emotional payoff. I don't think this arc does anything injustice to the franchise. There's some things I wish could've been added or altered, but the end product is highly satisfying. Sometimes I think we just become too caught up with wanting to get exactly what we think is best, and therefore are automatically disappointed when the end result differs from our expectations.
The ending gives us a great sendoff, I don't think it needs to spell out exactly what happens. We're kind of spoiled with some shows/ movies in recent years that give every single detail. Sometimes less is more, and the way Filoni did it here serves its purpose, especially in a 22 min episode.
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Post by Star on May 4, 2020 16:43:42 GMT -5
I'll have to think what ratings I'd give, but The Phantom Apprentice is definitely my favorite in the arc. It's a little tough to compare given the higher cinematic quality of this versus the rest of the show.
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Post by zuma on May 4, 2020 19:37:39 GMT -5
Cant' compare to Game of Thrones at all. That show had been going downhill for 4 seasons lol.
I loved it from the first minute to the last. Phantom Apprentice is the best episode of the show imo. The narrow focus was the right choice. Ahsoka and Rex partnering up was great to see. Kevin Kiner was awesome as usual.
Ratings:
Old Friends Not Forgotten: 10/10
The Phantom Apprentice: 10/10
Shattered: 9/10
Victory and Death: 9/10
Overall 10/10
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Post by zuma on May 4, 2020 20:06:19 GMT -5
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Post by Kenbo on May 4, 2020 20:20:08 GMT -5
I wonder how genuine this is. I mean they are good episodes of course the first two make sense but all four feels a little dubious... I know reviews for the sequels were doctored on some sites so it wouldn't be too much of a surprise... But who knows maybe it's legit |
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Post by Potato on May 4, 2020 20:43:54 GMT -5
I really enjoyed Siege of Mandalore. The fourth episode was definitely the weakest but I still thought it was great. It'll all probably flow a lot better when edited together anyway.
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Post by Newan on May 5, 2020 11:53:56 GMT -5
It would be cool if they actually didn’t animate ROTS at some point... having that along side siege of Mandalore in one uncut thing would be amazing.
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Post by zuma on May 5, 2020 11:55:34 GMT -5
It would be cool if they actually didn’t animate ROTS at some point... having that along side siege of Mandalore in one uncut thing would be amazing. That would be insane. Just do a 4 hour movie special. Probably won't happen but damn, it would be cool. |
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Post by zuma on May 6, 2020 16:12:26 GMT -5
Watched the whole arc as a movie a second time. Gotta say that last episode got to me harder on the second run-through. But minor positive. I think Ahsoka and Rex picked up R7's remains. It looked like he was sitting next to the ship, so maybe Ahsoka fixes him up! Silver linings |
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Post by Newan on May 7, 2020 5:27:27 GMT -5
Huh totally didn’t notice before you can actually see Anakins eyes in the Vader scene
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on May 19, 2020 17:13:24 GMT -5
I still hoped the episodes would be longer. But this arc was definitely one of the show's best
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Post by Kenbo on May 27, 2020 8:36:22 GMT -5
I feel like this wasn't supposed to be the end of the show originally, just another arc. I think there were rumors or concept art or something that made it seem like Obi-Wan and the 212th would return to help Mandalore. And perhaps he would've killed Maul then. I just remember something about orange troopers on Mandalore... They turned out to be Ahsoka's troops though. But maybe they were always supposed to be and we were wrong about the 212th idk
Also on another note it's funny how Death Watch became the good guys all of a sudden lol. We just gonna ignore them terrorizing Mandalore and burning down villages...
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Post by Star on May 27, 2020 9:03:21 GMT -5
Ratings for these episodes...
Old Friends Not Forgotten: 10/10
The Phantom Apprentice: 10/10
Shattered: 9/10
Victory and Death: 9/10
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Post by Spidyyr on May 29, 2020 6:46:52 GMT -5
Watched it all.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 29, 2020 6:48:16 GMT -5
I’m really not sure what I think.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 29, 2020 6:56:10 GMT -5
Saw it all at once without breaks so it’s a little hard to separate them. I think episodes 2 and 3 were my favorite.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 29, 2020 7:12:07 GMT -5
9/10
10/10
9.5/10
I’m not sure about the last one. Need to think about it.
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