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Post by Newan on Apr 17, 2020 7:31:34 GMT -5
Discussion for episode 10 of season 7 to be released on April 24th.
“Ahsoka and Republic forces confront Maul on Mandalore”
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Post by zuma on Apr 19, 2020 8:34:42 GMT -5
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Post by zuma on Apr 21, 2020 12:34:14 GMT -5
Jesse is in trouble!
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 21, 2020 15:10:35 GMT -5
Thinking Maul will try to find out about Order 66 by looking into Jesse's mind. Wonder if he'll trigger it. But yeah I think Jesse is a dead man walking lol
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Post by Newan on Apr 24, 2020 3:09:34 GMT -5
Another solid episode... this is definitely gonna be the best arc in the show. It would have had a lot more meaning if we saw Son of Dathomir added though. I really think now they should have shown that instead of the Martez sister arc.
Things are progressing fast, I really liked that Kenobi scene about Sidious. I also like how Maul basically knows everything, I’m starting to doubt he actually knows Sidious is Palpatine but Dooku clearly knew so yeah that’s kind of weird... Sidious just kept himself concealed from Maul for like 20 years somehow or Maul just flat out refuses to tell the truth in that one aspect.
Anakins connection is also interesting and I assume Ahsoka doesn’t contact him or maybe she attempts too after Anakin is already in the process of becoming Vader. Idk with all Ahsoka knows now from Maul it’s hard for me to believe she doesn’t at least suspect who Vader is immediately after ROTS.
That was an ok Saber fight, Maul definitely won. But Ahsoka is right he wouldn’t have lasted 2 minutes vs ROTS Anakin...
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Post by Newan on Apr 24, 2020 3:11:01 GMT -5
I’m guessing we don’t see Bo or Mandalore again after this episode expect maybe at the start of the next one... things are gonna get real. I’m not sure what Jesses greater significance is here, I think it’s gonna mean something in the next episode. I thought Maul might have fucked with the chip but maybe he actually disabled it somehow. Idk it has to mean something more... he just let him go.
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Post by Newan on Apr 24, 2020 3:16:29 GMT -5
FYI I posted threads for both episodes already cause they are so close together for release, use the Shattered one first.
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Post by Newan on Apr 24, 2020 3:18:14 GMT -5
I’m honestly kind of sad we didn’t get a little intro tbh... I wouldn’t have minded seeing more ROTS scenes animated  But it’s probably so they can do an uncut movie version after. |
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Post by Newan on Apr 24, 2020 3:24:50 GMT -5
Also I am pretty sure that was Dryden Vos in the right side of the Shadow Collective... he must be the leader of Crimson Dawn which is currently a faction within the Collective I’d assume.
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 24, 2020 9:12:35 GMT -5
That was great but I think every episode will be. Was kind of surprised there was no narration but yeah without it this will definitely fit together like a movie. I was kind of expecting them to show Anakin killing Dooku though in the intro. But it's cool Obi references it.
Dryden Vos was a really neat detail as well. And suddenly I really like Maul now... He wasn't very interesting to me before but I think it's cool how he's kind of just chilling waiting for the rise of the Empire. He doesn't really even care for the Mandalore shit it just seems like he's bored lol. He kind of feels like an anti-hero more than anything. Interesting how fate or the Force or whatever sort of sent Ahsoka to Mandalore instead of Anakin and Obi-Wan. Everything would've been so different if the latter had gone there.
As for the duel... Idk it felt off tbh. Like it looked kind of slow... Usually the TCW fights are super dynamic with everyone doing quick moves and flips and whatnot everywhere. Maul and Ahsoka here were kind of stationary for most of it. It almost looked like an OT duel tbh. And the lightsabers seem really off too were they always that "bendy"? I don't remember
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 24, 2020 9:13:17 GMT -5
I think this will be the "weakest" episode in the arc. But if that's true we're in great shape.
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 24, 2020 9:19:43 GMT -5
Idk with all Ahsoka knows now from Maul it’s hard for me to believe she doesn’t at least suspect who Vader is immediately after ROTS. This is one thing I really hate about Rebels. Ahsoka finding out Anakin is Vader after 15 years doesn't really make sense. No way she wouldn't have tried to find out what happened to him after order 66. And similarly Vader realizing she's alive so late is also dumb |
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 24, 2020 9:23:16 GMT -5
It was kind of weird we didn't see Jesse at all beforehand and suddenly he was in Maul's clutches. I didn't think he would ask about Ahsoka, I thought he was going to learn more about Order 66. But I guess it makes sense because he thought Ani/Obi would come. Kind of fits into the whole destiny thing I think they were going for.
Really thought he was going to die though lol. You bring up a good point Newan I wonder if his chip was affected at all. Also I'm glad Maul didn't last minute kill him or something. Makes him a lot more anti-hero as I said in my eyes. Kinda rooting for him now tbh lol
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Post by Newan on Apr 24, 2020 9:53:16 GMT -5
That was great but I think every episode will be. Was kind of surprised there was no narration but yeah without it this will definitely fit together like a movie. I was kind of expecting them to show Anakin killing Dooku though in the intro. But it's cool Obi references it. Dryden Vos was a really neat detail as well. And suddenly I really like Maul now... He wasn't very interesting to me before but I think it's cool how he's kind of just chilling waiting for the rise of the Empire. He doesn't really even care for the Mandalore shit it just seems like he's bored lol. He kind of feels like an anti-hero more than anything. Interesting how fate or the Force or whatever sort of sent Ahsoka to Mandalore instead of Anakin and Obi-Wan. Everything would've been so different if the latter had gone there. As for the duel... Idk it felt off tbh. Like it looked kind of slow... Usually the TCW fights are super dynamic with everyone doing quick moves and flips and whatnot everywhere. Maul and Ahsoka here were kind of stationary for most of it. It almost looked like an OT duel tbh. And the lightsabers seem really off too were they always that "bendy"? I don't remember The whole duel was done with mocap, Ray Park did everything for Darth Maul. That’s why it was different. |
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Post by Newan on Apr 24, 2020 9:57:01 GMT -5
Idk with all Ahsoka knows now from Maul it’s hard for me to believe she doesn’t at least suspect who Vader is immediately after ROTS. This is one thing I really hate about Rebels. Ahsoka finding out Anakin is Vader after 15 years doesn't really make sense. No way she wouldn't have tried to find out what happened to him after order 66. And similarly Vader realizing she's alive so late is also dumb Well Ahsoka and Rex fake their deaths in the Ahsoka novel, I believe she also places her current lightsabers in the fake grave as well. Maybe we will see that and then Vader potentially in a last clip looking at said grave or hearing about their “deaths”. Ahsoka does try and contact Anakin post ROTS to see if he’s alive, a few times she reaches through the force and only find darkness and cold which leaves Ahsoka to believe he died in order 66. |
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Post by Star on Apr 24, 2020 11:45:50 GMT -5
That was another amazing episode. The duel had a different feel compared to previous ones, but I really enjoyed it. The motion capture they used made it feel more realistic, and it was very impressive to watch. That moment when the glass shattered before they began fighting was stunning.
I love how Kenobi contacted Ahsoka and we got more context on why Anakin or him don't come to help on Mandalore. Also learning that Maul had a vision of Sidious using Anakin for the final part of his plan really makes everything come full circle even more. Like you guys said, it's making Maul a much more complicated character and almost an anti-hero.
The Dryden Vos cameo added another great connection. Plus Almec finally meeting his end after manipulating his way through so many events. I have a feeling we're in for one more crazy action sequence with Saxon when Order 66 happens, too. This arc will definitely be the best of the series.
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 24, 2020 11:49:36 GMT -5
That was great but I think every episode will be. Was kind of surprised there was no narration but yeah without it this will definitely fit together like a movie. I was kind of expecting them to show Anakin killing Dooku though in the intro. But it's cool Obi references it. Dryden Vos was a really neat detail as well. And suddenly I really like Maul now... He wasn't very interesting to me before but I think it's cool how he's kind of just chilling waiting for the rise of the Empire. He doesn't really even care for the Mandalore shit it just seems like he's bored lol. He kind of feels like an anti-hero more than anything. Interesting how fate or the Force or whatever sort of sent Ahsoka to Mandalore instead of Anakin and Obi-Wan. Everything would've been so different if the latter had gone there. As for the duel... Idk it felt off tbh. Like it looked kind of slow... Usually the TCW fights are super dynamic with everyone doing quick moves and flips and whatnot everywhere. Maul and Ahsoka here were kind of stationary for most of it. It almost looked like an OT duel tbh. And the lightsabers seem really off too were they always that "bendy"? I don't remember The whole duel was done with mocap, Ray Park did everything for Darth Maul. That’s why it was different. Yeah I just realized that. I wonder why they did that. Just to do something different and give Ray Park a cool role or because it’s easier than animating or something |
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Post by Star on Apr 24, 2020 11:58:21 GMT -5
The whole duel was done with mocap, Ray Park did everything for Darth Maul. That’s why it was different. Yeah I just realized that. I wonder why they did that. Just to do something different and give Ray Park a cool role or because it’s easier than animating or something I'm pretty sure there's a video somewhere that explains it, but they wanted to give an even more realistic feeling to the fights to match the improved animation. But the way Ray Park as Maul moves, it's too difficult to animate without motion capture serving as a guideline. |
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Post by Newan on Apr 24, 2020 12:27:00 GMT -5
It’s cool how “The Phantom Apprentice” is actually Anakin...
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Apr 24, 2020 12:31:57 GMT -5
And the momentum carries on. It wasn't the greatest duel Mandalore's seen, but I kinda liked the more realistic edge it was going for. As for timeline issues, I'm guessing more time passes than given away in this episode? It's probably the best explanation now  I do love the irony though that Jango, a Mandalorian, has his own legacy fighting his own culture I'm of the opinion Maul's been one of the best characters on the show, but this just makes him even better. In a bizarre way, he is sort of playing hero, though a selfish, mad as a hatter one at that And the cinematic feel going on is simply on point. I know the music for this show has been solid, but this is just going next level now  |
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Post by Star on Apr 24, 2020 14:10:52 GMT -5
I think this might have been Maul's best episode. You can feel him going slightly insane from his visions and seeing how everything around him is falling apart despite how hard he's tried. The moment he sympathizes with Dooku's death speaks a lot as he recognizes they were both pawns for Sidious.
The scene with Maul asking Ahsoka to join him reflects what we saw in TLJ between Kylo and Rey. Two Force users that feel betrayed or isolated from their "orders" and looking to unite and forge a new destiny for the galaxy. It succeeds here because we got stories that made sense and developed Maul and Ahsoka. If only I could say the same for Kylo and Rey...
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Post by Star on Apr 24, 2020 14:12:41 GMT -5
I wonder if we'll see Maul and Vader cross paths in the finale...
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 24, 2020 14:27:55 GMT -5
I wonder if we'll see Maul and Vader cross paths in the finale... I don’t think Vader (if we’re talking about in the suit) will do much. I feel that would start to go out of Clone Wars territory. It makes sense for the show to continue into ROTS because the war is still going on in ROTS but not really too much afterwards. Of course I wouldn’t mind at all if I was wrong about that |
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Apr 24, 2020 15:27:12 GMT -5
I wonder if we'll see Maul and Vader cross paths in the finale... A Maul/Vader duel would be one of the most heavy handed fanservice moments on this show since Maul got his comeback, but y'know what? I'd absolutely love it |
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Post by Newan on Apr 24, 2020 16:07:52 GMT -5
Hmm we didn’t get any mention of Kix after... that’s kind of disappointing. I mean I know he’s out of the picture and would currently be in carbon, but they should have mentioned him. Jesse is probably still gonna die.
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 24, 2020 20:23:23 GMT -5
Wait i just remembered the darksaber . What happened to that I'd assume Maul still has it since he had it in Rebels. Don't think it'll show up in this arc though Honestly I'm worried the the whole Mandalore siege plot is going to be sort of rushed. Like it might've been good to have an arc or at least a couple episodes similar to Onderon about Mandalore beforehand to properly flesh out the civil war. I was thinking since Order 66 will be next episode, they will wrap the Mandalore stuff up at the beginning but who knows maybe it could take the whole episode and then the order is at the end |
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Post by zuma on Apr 25, 2020 15:39:30 GMT -5
Really amazing episode. A bit surprised by some of your reactions to the duel thb I thought it was the best one in the show's history. I loved how it was more fluid and you could see how the mo-cap made a difference. Ahsoka and Maul's dynamic was really great. And I loved the tie-ins they did with ROTS. I thought they'd just ignore it but this worked really well with Obi-Wan staying in touch with her. Also adds to Anakin's character in ROTS if he's so obsessed with everything on Coruscant he never even comes around to contacting Ahsoka. |
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Post by zuma on Apr 25, 2020 15:39:42 GMT -5
Idk with all Ahsoka knows now from Maul it’s hard for me to believe she doesn’t at least suspect who Vader is immediately after ROTS. This is one thing I really hate about Rebels. Ahsoka finding out Anakin is Vader after 15 years doesn't really make sense. No way she wouldn't have tried to find out what happened to him after order 66. And similarly Vader realizing she's alive so late is also dumb I don't really mind. I think it's pretty plausible that Ahsoka would be in complete denial about Anakin's fate even after what Maul told her. I think she had a hunch, but she didn't come to terms with it until facing Vader. |
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Post by Newan on Apr 25, 2020 15:48:16 GMT -5
The duel was decent, probably top 3. But I still prefer Vizsla vs Maul I think. And I have a personal favorite in Anakin/ Kenobi vs Dooku in The Lost One.
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Post by zuma on Apr 25, 2020 16:00:53 GMT -5
I have to rewatch The Lost Missions. I can't remember much from that one. I think I remember the rest though.
I think mine would roughly be (and not counting duels from Lost Missions.)
1. Ahsoka vs. Maul
2. Maul/Savage vs. Sidious
3. Vizsla vs. Maul
I have always had a wildcard favorite in Grievous vs. Kit Fisto from Lair of Grievous. I think that was an early duel that flowed really well.
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I do love the irony though that Jango, a Mandalorian, has his own legacy fighting his own culture 
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