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Post by Spidyyr on Mar 21, 2020 22:55:14 GMT -5
March 20 - 26, 2020
Episode 20: Twin Suns Episode 21: Zero Hour, Part 1 Episode 22: Zero Hour, Part 2
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 22, 2020 9:49:39 GMT -5
Twin Suns
Okay first of all ignoring how lame it is the rebels finding out Obi-Wan was on Tatooine off screen, they had the information and did nothing but fuck around for 8 episodes. Maul already knew he was on Tatooine so you know that he went there right away. Why does it feel like Ezra came to Tatooine just a little while after Maul. Makes no sense
Second fuck Ezra. I hate that we had to see this moment through his eyes. Rebels seriously sucks man. They bring back Maul for no reason other than to show Obi-Wan killing him. At least it feels like he did a bit more than Ahsoka but really he too was a pretty pointless addition to the show. He's seriously still after revenge on Obi after all these years? I think he should've died a long time ago tbh. My head canon is he has nothing left to live for and just wants to die at this point so he convinces himself he still wants revenge. He seeks him out so that either Obi kills Maul to end his suffering or Maul kills Obi and then he kills himself. Obviously the former happened. It was a good and pretty powerful moment one of the best of the show and probably one time the dialogue actually wasn't shit. But besides that it's a dumb episode and it's quite random as it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the show
Zero Hour Part 1
Something good. Another one of the shows best. It was good seeing the rebels losing for once and it actually feeling like there's stakes... I am also glad Sato died not just because I didn't like him lol. But because it always feels like the rebels get away with their shit too easily. One issue is it sounded like they were going to feed Kallus fake information or something and that was gonna be a small storyline but they never did anything with that as he's caught immediately. Also the death troopers were nice
Zero Hour Part 2
Good. I wish the whole show was like this
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Post by Star on Apr 22, 2020 10:15:56 GMT -5
Twin Suns took me a few rewatches to fully decide how I feel on it, but I think it's a great episode. If for nothing else, we get the conclusion to the Kenobi and Maul storyline, and I think they handled it amazingly. The dialogue between them, the obvious personal changes they've experienced since TCW, and the way the fight unfolds. I wish there could've been a few more strikes before Kenobi killed Maul, but I see what the crew went for.
Ezra didn't feel too out of place here, and the Tusken Raider sequence was pretty cool. Maul has manipulated Ezra throughout the show, so it makes sense for that to continue here. I wish we could've seen Kenobi tell Ezra to keep him a secret though, that feels like a loose end that could've been prevented. Or honestly, if Ezra never realized it was Kenobi he met, that would've been an interesting approach.
Less was definitely more for the case of this one. The more I think about it, the more I love how it completes Maul's character and positions Kenobi near the end of his own character arc. It's not the perfect episode, but I still really enjoy what it does for the larger SW universe. 9/10.
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Post by Star on Apr 22, 2020 10:20:39 GMT -5
I'm a little confused as to why Maul's legs didn't evaporate in the green Magick like what happened to Savage in The Lawless. Is that because Mother Talzin is dead? It's not a major issue, but I'm wondering if there's an in-universe explanation for that.
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Post by Kenbo on Apr 22, 2020 19:06:56 GMT -5
I'm a little confused as to why Maul's legs didn't evaporate in the green Magick like what happened to Savage in The Lawless. Is that because Mother Talzin is dead? It's not a major issue, but I'm wondering if there's an in-universe explanation for that. I don't remember but didn't Death Watch rebuild his legs or something? So I guess the Talzin legs were removed
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Post by Star on Apr 22, 2020 20:29:56 GMT -5
I'm a little confused as to why Maul's legs didn't evaporate in the green Magick like what happened to Savage in The Lawless. Is that because Mother Talzin is dead? It's not a major issue, but I'm wondering if there's an in-universe explanation for that. I don't remember but didn't Death Watch rebuild his legs or something? So I guess the Talzin legs were removed Oh that's right, in Eminence they replace his legs for him. I couldn't remember if the human legs were also from Talzin.
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Post by Star on Apr 24, 2020 15:16:06 GMT -5
Zero Hour Part I delivers on a season-long buildup of the conflict between Thrawn and the rebels. The entire episode works so well as we see Thrawn expose Kallus, discover the location of Chopper Base, and launch an attack that lives up to his reputation.
Although the rebels have numbers larger than we've seen before, they're still outclassed by Thrawn. If not for Konstantine's desire for glory, everything would've worked perfectly. Sato wasn't very developed, but his sacrifice is a powerful moment, especially how it puts an end to Konstantine and allows Ezra to escape. This space battle is really enjoyable and probably one of the best in the show.
It's also nice seeing the Bendu refuse to help the rebels against the threat of the Empire. His transformation into a storm is intriguing, but it seems to fall in line with powers that other Force wielders possess (i.e. Father, Son, Daughter).
This episode is a great start to the S3 finale and very rewatchable. 9/10.
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Post by Star on Apr 24, 2020 15:28:19 GMT -5
Part 2 continues the excitement. I love seeing a ground assault led by Thrawn. I remember that wasn't something I expected when I first watched this episode. The Death Troopers in action are a lot of fun, and seeing how hopeless the situation for the rebels is really sells the threat of the Empire.
I like Sabine and some Mandos coming to aid the rebels, but they seemed to succeed without any real losses. Their success also makes Pryce seem less competent. I feel like this reintroduced Sabine to the rebels too soon. She's only been away for a few episodes, I think half a season without her would've made her return better.
Bendu's storm attack looks great, and I'm glad he didn't only target the Empire. However, it deprives Thrawn of a bigger victory since no main characters die (excluding Sato). If Kanan or Hera was killed, it might've not seemed as bad that many of the rebels escaped. Yet because an entire season building up Thrawn concluded without an impact beyond dislocating the rebels, it's a little underwhelming.
It's a strong conclusion to the season, but doesn't quite keep the same level at Part 1. I'll go with 8/10.
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Post by Star on Apr 24, 2020 15:45:08 GMT -5
As it stands, season 3 is my highest rated by a lot... 7.16. Seasons 1 and 2 are pretty close at 6.7 and 6.75 respectively.
Only Shroud of Darkness and Through Imperial Eyes have 10s. There's maybe 2 others that will also get that, but likely a few 9s, especially in the second half of season 4.
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Post by Kenbo on May 22, 2020 20:40:34 GMT -5
I gotta be honest Twin Suns is a bad episode in my opinion. My thoughts are about the same as my original post above. The duel is a beautiful scene of course but everything else really just brings it down. And to be quite frank, while I like the artistic choice of the super short duel, from another point of view it is the equivalent of hyping up your pipe game but ending up being a two pump chump. Problems with this episode: 1. It's like who ever wrote this (Daddy Filoni) forgot to watch Visions and Voices. They are debating if Obi-Wan is alive, even Ezra, when he literally had a vision showing him to be alive and he said he was their key to destroying the Sith. Why is he suddenly doubting himself now? 2. In that episode they decide they need to find Obi-Wan before Maul does. But then for the next episodes they completely forget about it and don't do anything. Then all of a sudden in this episode they know he's on Tatooine. If they already knew, why sit on the information and let Maul get there first? 3. The Tusken Raiders look like dudes in flesh colored gimp suits... I guess their entire budget went into Obi's robes lol. This isn't an actual complaint I'm just saying 4. So Maul draws out Obi by using Ezra's pain and sorrow? What does Ezra have to be sorrowful over? His parents are dead? That was a long time ago, he's probably moved on and also half the galaxy doesn't have or never knew their parents lol. Makes no sense for Obi to bother 5. How does Obi know Ezra's name? Why is another character automatically nice to Ezra? 6. Ezra's attempt at recruiting Obi was rushed and lame af. I think if they had to show Obi it would've been better to have the Rebels be on Tatooine for some reason, stumble across him and then try to get his help. Or something like that I'm not saying that's a much better idea but still I think they could've handled that better... But yeah their interaction was super rushed Obi's like you don't need my help and Ezra's like okay you're right bye 7. I wish they did something else with Maul. To see him regress back to his Kenobi revenge phase is so lame. It's been like 30 years since the battle of Naboo. And based on TCW it feels like he's moved on. Also he's threatening Luke? Doesn't he know Luke is the new hope? In Holocrons of Fate he says he just wants hope. That's Luke... Why pretend he's going to kill him? And because of that Obi-Wan kills Maul. Idk it just seems iffy to me... It could've been done better 8. This episode doesn't fit into the show at all. They just went off on a tangent with this it has nothing to do with the rest of the story and has no impact on it or any significance whatsoever. In the context of the show it is actually pretty much a filler episode. So yeah probably unpopular opinion but this wasn't a good episode overall and I have to give it a 6.5/10. Like I said the duel is cool but it could've just been a single YouTube video like the Old Wounds animation.
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Post by Kenbo on May 23, 2020 14:18:44 GMT -5
I just realized Zero Hour is basically a much better version of the Battle of Crait/TLJ's ending
It's weird how similar they are though I wonder if RJ watched these episodes
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Post by Spidyyr on May 24, 2020 20:59:34 GMT -5
Not sure why they waited 9 episodes to catch up with Maul. He’s on the poster for Season 3. Surely he could have been in more than three episodes.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 24, 2020 21:38:28 GMT -5
I’m really not sure how I feel about this one. I guess part of me wishes this episode didnt feature any Rebels at all and just focused on Maul and Obi-Wan. But I know they wouldn’t do that.
I did like their final duel, but the set up did feel a bit rushed. I didn’t really get how Ezra helped Maul. Maul was already on Tatooine, and it’s not like he would have had a hard time tracking Obi-Wan down. Dude didn’t even change his last name.
It just felt weird in a way to have the episode framed around the arc of Ezra learning to listen to his mom Hera when it’s not really a compelling arc or something he shouldn’t have learned already. I guess every moment we spent with Ezra was one I wished we were with Mail or Kenobi.
I thought SS did a great job voicing Old Ben. Really nailed it.
I think I’m gonna go with a 7.5/10 right now. It got the important moment right, but everything else was a bit too fillery.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 24, 2020 22:07:55 GMT -5
Zero Hour Part 1 is really good. They might have botched the buildup to open warfare but here are. It’s good to see. Very enjoyable space battle. I wasn’t too excited about another Lothal fight and was glad they flipped the script and put it on the base planet who’s name I don’t think they mention until this episode.
Sato’s sacrifice is quite good. Him getting a personality would have been nice too but you can’t get everything.
Thrawn is at his best here. He’s very well written and acted. His presence almost excuses that the writers completely forgot who Darth Vader is this season.
Liked the stuff with the Bendu too. Not sure how things will be resolved but his and Kanan’s dialogue was powerful.
All in all a great episode. 9/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 24, 2020 22:46:36 GMT -5
Part 2 was also great. There were a lot of really amazing visuals, especially with the Bendu. The AT-ATs were also used really well. There wasn’t quite as much an excitement in space but it was cool to see the strike team mode on the ship.
Really liked the ending. They set up a good mood going into the ending. The war finally feels like it’s on and I’m excited. Hope the ending is worth all the crap it took to get here.
8.5/10
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