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Post by Newan on Jan 23, 2020 11:09:03 GMT -5
I hope there’s a holo screen of Palpatines empire speech too or something, man there’s so many cool little things we could see
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Post by Newan on Jan 23, 2020 11:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by Star on Jan 23, 2020 15:58:08 GMT -5
The poster looks so good. It really emphasizes the Republic is entering its twilight before the darkness of the Empire.
Weekly releases seem pretty likely for this, but that's fine with me. More time to savor each episode.
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Post by Star on Jan 23, 2020 16:01:33 GMT -5
It dawned on me in that video if we got fallen order earlier we likely could have got a Jaro Tapal cameo or something in a hologram.... A clone wars Lasat would be cool to see. That would be awesome, and it could've even given us a look at Cal. It's still really disappointing we couldn't get all the episodes we should've, but at least these 12 look fantastic. They appear to be doing their best to connect aspects of the unanimated TCW stories with post-ROTS material.
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 23, 2020 18:21:25 GMT -5
Holy I just thought of something.. but I wouldn’t be surprised if we got unexpected Vader at the end if this takes place during ROTS. Maybe Rex and Ahsoka survive and leave together and Vader and Sidious are there at the end with a hologram of her from Mandalore or something.... I always wanted to see Vader in clone wars, after the Rogue One reaction to his cameos DF should do it. But this is going to be so interesting to see reactions of characters as ROTS is unfolding, I wonder what will happen if order 66 goes down and she tries to contact Anakin for help. I guess we will also see Kenobi Rebels message in this show as well, so another connection to Rebels I've seen people saying Mandalore is not just during ROTS but after it as well... Vader would be really cool to see but tbh I think I might prefer just a happy ending with normal Anakin... Though I'm not sure if that would even be possible after order 66 lol... idk. The show should end on a happy note though imo. Even ROTS does with baby Luke and twin suns
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Post by bane on Jan 23, 2020 19:23:37 GMT -5
Kinda annoying there's only one season left... like if you want people to get Disney+ you need to start pumping out some good content.
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Post by Newan on Jan 23, 2020 21:38:04 GMT -5
I wonder if they changed things a bit for this season. Cause Bad Batch was supposed to be season 7 premiere and Siege was series finale, Ahsoka arc was likely in season 7 as well.
Seems like a big gap,
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 24, 2020 14:05:24 GMT -5
Kinda annoying there's only one season left... like if you want people to get Disney+ you need to start pumping out some good content. For real Disney+ is kinda garbage I thought Disney owned so many IPs and was going to have all kinds of shit but not really just marvel and other lame kids stuff. I think you can easily watch every single thing on D+ in a short amount of time. But I'm kinda realizing Disney mostly just purchases other people's creations and don't actually make any creative content themselves... lol. They're gonna need to buy a lot more stuff and/or rebrand a little bit for the platform to be successful. I remember before launch it being called "Netflix killer" lol what a joke
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Post by Star on Jan 24, 2020 14:19:10 GMT -5
Okay, so with S7 coming up, I've been thinking a lot about what finished product we are getting versus what it could've been.
Arcs we're getting for S7: Bad Batch Ahsoka's Walkabout Siege of Mandalore
Confirmed arcs that were released, but not as finished products for TV: Son of Dathomir (comic) Dark Disciple (novel) Utapau (story reel)
Confirmed arcs that had pieces revealed, but nothing more: Bounty Hunter arc Kashyyyk Rex and R2 Vong Jedi Temple Mon Cala
According to Brent Friedman, each arc was 4 episodes long, except for the Dark Disciple arc (8 episodes). Given first-draft scripts for S7 and S8 were produced, it seems likely 4 episode arcs until the end would've been true. We pretty much already saw this trend in S5 and Lost Missions.
This adds up to 52 episodes, 40 of which were not released as finished products for TV. Pablo Hidalgo stated that production S5 had 25 episodes, while production S6 and S7 were 24 episodes. Taking into account we got 20/25 for S5, 13/24 for S6, and will be getting 12/24 for S7, there is a loss of 28 episodes. The 40 unfinished episodes covers this and leaves 12 remaining.
Although we never had confirmation on how long S8 would be, 24 episodes seems reasonable. This follows the pattern of S6-S7. In this case, the 12 confirmed yet unfinished episodes cover half this season. The other half would be completely unknown episodes at this time (ignoring the order all these episodes would have released within the later seasons... I'm focusing on the raw content rather than order of release). Potential arcs could be about the Zillo Beast, Aurra Sing, and Barriss. These were all plot ideas that Filoni had mentioned as possible episodes in the future. Regardless of if these three ideas were the focus of those 12 episode slots or not, it would conclude the amount of unfinished episodes we should've gotten if not for TCW's premature cancellation.
This puts the tally at 52 episodes we will seemingly never get as finished products for TV. And even if S8 was an abridged season of 12 episodes, this still leaves the tally at 40.
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Post by Star on Jan 24, 2020 14:19:29 GMT -5
Now, the quality of these 4 part stories can variate immensely. The S5 Maul arc gave us some of the show's greatest moments; conversely, the D-Squad arc was among the show's worst. Arguably, D-Squad wouldn't have been as bad it if was shortened into 1-2 episodes. However, the storytelling model by this point in the series was making every idea they had into 4 episodes. As such, good moments become trampled in mediocre arcs that outstay their welcome. While it was cool to see Gregor in the D-Squad arc, we had to put up with 45+ mins to get to him. The same can be said about the Onderon arc. It's a pretty decent story, but it feels bloated just to fill 88 mins of screen time.
My point for this is that all the ideas Filoni and the crew had for these unfinished episodes were likely good concepts. Yet at 4 episodes long, I think it would've turned many of the arcs into meandering, filler, and mediocre arcs. The Rex and R2 arc? Sounds neat, but I don't think I'd want it for 4 episodes. Hence, while we are losing approx. 52 episodes, a lot of them probably weren't worth seeing anyway.
I'm a huge Star Wars fan and can appreciate all the content they release, but I would've been fine going without stories like the D-Squad or Younglings arcs, especially when they would've been expanded beyond what was necessary. Just think to standalones from S1-S2 and how they would've been worse if they felt the need to fill 3-4 episodes instead. Some stories need them, but many don't.
Based on what we know of these unfinished episodes, these are the arcs I think are the biggest losses: Son of Dathomir: the missing piece between what we last saw of Maul in S5 and where he'll be in S7. Adds a lot of great content with Mandalore and the Sith. Dark Disciple: Ventress was one of the bigger characters for this series, and I think this arc would've been great to include so she had a nice farewell. It also ties up more loose ends in regard to her story with Dooku and the Jedi. Seeing Vos also would've been amazing. Utapau: great arc that develops Anakin and Kenobi's relationship post-Ahsoka. It gives more screen time to push Anakin toward who he is at the start of ROTS. We also get more connections to the Death Star. Bounty Hunter arc: more out of personal enjoyment, but I think seeing some final development with Boba and Cad Bane would've been really cool. Jedi Temple: the little we know about this story makes it sound like it'd delve deeper into the mystic side of Star Wars like with the Mortis and Yoda arcs. Also having Sidious directly involved could have been interesting.
This makes 24 episodes we aren't getting that are real losses. However, 3 of these 5 arcs we've already gotten in some kind of medium, which reduces the disappointment in not seeing them as finished products for TV. Thus, it's more like 8 episodes that are true losses.
As for the other arcs we could have gotten, I'm not sure how great they honestly would've been. I imagine they'd all have their enjoyable moments, but they certainly weren't essential for the series, especially at 4 episodes each.
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Post by Star on Jan 24, 2020 14:19:47 GMT -5
I guess my final point is that while it's upsetting we won't see a majority of the planned episodes TCW had in store, it's important to keep in mind that these 3 arcs are probably some of the best ones of the bunch. Additionally, 3 of the other best ones are already released in an alternate forms. This leaves the less crucial stories unfinished, many of which probably wouldn't have been amazing anyway.
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Post by bane on Jan 24, 2020 14:57:09 GMT -5
Kinda annoying there's only one season left... like if you want people to get Disney+ you need to start pumping out some good content. For real Disney+ is kinda garbage I thought Disney owned so many IPs and was going to have all kinds of shit but not really just marvel and other lame kids stuff. I think you can easily watch every single thing on D+ in a short amount of time. But I'm kinda realizing Disney mostly just purchases other people's creations and don't actually make any creative content themselves... lol. They're gonna need to buy a lot more stuff and/or rebrand a little bit for the platform to be successful. I remember before launch it being called "Netflix killer" lol what a joke yea considering the budget that was announced for netflix originals there is absolutely no way... most of these other platforms don't really have shit on netflix like you just buy hulu for rick and morty or something
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 24, 2020 15:08:05 GMT -5
I hated how they went to all four part arcs. The mix they had in Season 4 was the best.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 24, 2020 15:09:26 GMT -5
At least they had the good sense not to make Mace and Jar Jar four parts.
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Post by bane on Jan 24, 2020 15:56:07 GMT -5
You guys are making me self conscious about not remembering much about the clone wars and having not watched Rebels haha.
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 24, 2020 16:21:50 GMT -5
It's kinda dumb how convoluted Maul's story arc is since it was spread out over so many mediums. There's no way a casual fan knows what his deal is hell even I don't. Hopefully these episodes fill in the biggest gaps. But yeah I don't really want to see him in anything again tbh... It would've been nice if his story was completely wrapped up in TCW
Also it kind of bothers me when people say Disney "brought back" TCW... like lol no they didn't if it was truly brought back we would be getting all those episodes and more in a continued run.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 24, 2020 17:35:51 GMT -5
I hope they’re not assuming people have read Son of Dathomir. But again I’m not sure this story will make sense without it.
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Post by Newan on Jan 25, 2020 2:37:48 GMT -5
Much of Ahsoka other content that was meant to be in TCW is actually in her book as well...
Tbh Son of Dathomir would have been cool to see on screen but I like the graphic novel, most of what was left in TCW I can live without seeing, I don’t really want a Mon Cala continuation or an arc with R2 and Rex...
If I was in charge of a “Finale Season” I would have likely done it like this
1-4: Utapau (have this early cause it introduces Anakins new model and his feeling of post Ahsoka leaving the order) 5-8: Bad Batch (It’s a good story and it’s very war centric, something most of these arcs lack tbh) 9-12: Ahsoka Walkabout/ return 13-16: Boba/ Bane arc 17-20: Kashyyyk arc (likely cause we would see the Bad Batch here again) 21-24: Siege of Mandalore
They could do the Jedi temple arc in place of Kashyyyk but I think I’d like Kashyyyk cause it would relate more to the war again something these arcs lack... Kashyyyk arc could be like 2 episodes as well.
Although make Siege of Mandalore like 6-8 episodes long and give us a couple detailed episodes of the battle of Coruscant in there and that would be cool.
Honestly that would be a fairly complete ending to the show for me. I don’t need to see arcs animated that we got in other formats and I don’t really need to see filler. Vong arc would be totally out of the question with the new canon anyways
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Post by Newan on Jan 25, 2020 13:55:29 GMT -5
Hmm so I think Order 66 is gonna get pulled on Ahsoka as she’s traveling back to Coruscant on the venator. When she grabs her head like Yoda does on Kashyyyk she probably senses order 66 and at the end it looks like she’s in the briefing area with Rex on the bridge. Oh and... don’t read this for potential spoilers Maul also looks like he’s on a venator when he force pushes a bunch of clones....
I think Maul gets captured and escapes during order 66. In the Ahsoka novel it doesn’t say she beats Maul but I’m pretty sure he gets lured into a trap
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 25, 2020 18:23:42 GMT -5
Hmm so I think Order 66 is gonna get pulled on Ahsoka as she’s traveling back to Coruscant on the venator. When she grabs her head like Yoda does on Kashyyyk she probably senses order 66 and at the end it looks like she’s in the briefing area with Rex on the bridge. Oh and... don’t read this for potential spoilers Maul also looks like he’s on a venator when he force pushes a bunch of clones....
I think Maul gets captured and escapes during order 66. In the Ahsoka novel it doesn’t say she beats Maul but I’m pretty sure he gets lured into a trap I can't wait to see Order 66 and tbh it kinda makes sense to see it in the show I mean the war is still going on during ROTS
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Post by Newan on Feb 12, 2020 13:37:57 GMT -5
Hmm so weekly episodes with no gaps would take us to May 8th, that will be a cool few months. Also overlaps with May 4th so that’s decent
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Post by Newan on Feb 13, 2020 15:44:21 GMT -5
A week to go now, I’m looking forward to this
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Post by Kenbo on Feb 13, 2020 15:55:14 GMT -5
I really don't know if I prefer weekly releases or full season drops. All the CW shows for example like Arrowverse or Supernatural, weekly release is kind of torture and those I just prefer to binge. But stuff like the Witcher only has those 8 episodes and that's it. Binging Witcher felt like a nice neatly packaged experience but once it's over it's kind of irrelevant tbh
So I guess if I'm honest if it's only a few episodes, weekly is not that bad as you can sort of let it simmer if you know what I mean but if it's like a 20+ season I prefer to get through it on my own pace
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Post by Kenbo on Feb 14, 2020 14:22:30 GMT -5
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Post by Newan on Feb 14, 2020 14:39:02 GMT -5
Well that settles the weekly episode question... “Beginning February 21st”. Honestly I’ll enjoy a weekly episode. Will be slightly more interesting after bad batch is past though
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Feb 15, 2020 14:05:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. I sort of prefer the weekly idea instead of dumping it all in one go. Means I've got time to catch up just in case
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Post by Newan on Feb 22, 2020 7:25:39 GMT -5
Another promo image... I like how Anakin and Kenobi are crossing sabers
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 17, 2020 11:27:58 GMT -5
Idk man I feel like those two girl characters will be annoying. But perhaps they won't make Ahsoka lesbian after all since possibly the two chicks are together? I might be upset if they diagnose Ahsoka with gay or something like it doesn't really add anything tbh just pandering to a minority that probably doesn't even care
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Post by Newan on Mar 18, 2020 23:42:56 GMT -5
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Post by Kenbo on Mar 19, 2020 9:41:08 GMT -5
Is that the right link lol
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