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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 21, 2019 18:38:20 GMT -5
November 22-28, 2019
 Episode 4: Fighter Flight
Episode 5: Rise of the Old Masters
Episode 6: Breaking Ranks |
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 21, 2019 22:46:13 GMT -5
Don’t have high hopes for the next one just based on the thumbnail...
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Post by Star on Nov 22, 2019 9:20:43 GMT -5
One of these episodes is very good from what I recall, but the other two are disappointing.
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Post by Newan on Nov 22, 2019 10:45:30 GMT -5
One of these episodes is very good from what I recall, but the other two are disappointing. From memory one is probably the plainest in the show,.. one is quite good... one is decent considering it actually has a place and is expanded on later. |
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Post by Newan on Nov 22, 2019 11:31:48 GMT -5
Fighter Flight has filler written all over it. Ezra and Zebs relationship could definitely have been built in a much more meaningful way. Still there are some decent redeeming qualities of this episode... I liked the Empires interactions with the farmers and some of the Ezra and Zeb moments are not too bad. Honestly I always liked the “Commander Maluron” joke.
But overall this episode is just so boring at times, it’s kind of disappointing that Sabine doesn’t become a fleshed out character for quite some time from now. But I guess with no pre established characters to guide us it just takes some time to get all the characters. Even though I’ve only seen every Rebels episode like twice I know Kanan and Sabine were my favorites near the end of it.
Anyways yeah not much great stuff here, again since this is Rebels I sort of expect a more comedic tone and light hearted adventure so I’m going to just narrowly give this a 4/10. I do rate Rebels a lot different then TCW... but thing is it’s going to be a lot more rare for Rebels to score above a 7 then with TCW for me whereas TCW was a lot more variable sometimes going from a 10 to a 5 in a matter of 2 weeks. 80% of Rebels for me will probably be between 6-7. I enjoy most Star Wars in general so there’s always a couple points scored from the license alone pretty much
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Post by Newan on Nov 22, 2019 11:34:50 GMT -5
Oh actually I forgot the biggest positive to this episode... it has sort of a hidden theme of Ezra learning to use the force. I really like that Ezra is not a Mary Sue like Rey when it comes to the force. And this episode has a very good way of showing Ezras progress. Which is actually why I choose to bump it to a 4 instead of a 3.
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Post by Newan on Nov 22, 2019 12:19:16 GMT -5
Rise of the Old Masters is a lot better than Fighter Flight and the best we seen in the show so far. The main plot itself is interesting and honestly I wasn’t actually expecting that with Luminara the first time I watched this episode. The Inquisitor is a lot more menacing than Kallus and stands as a competent villain, he also has a nice bit of mystery about him being able to read Kanan the way he does.
Furthermore Sabine and Zeb are better here and handle themselves in a more coherent manner then we previously seen. Obviously there still is some cringe dialogue and some odd jokes like with the saber but it’s nothing that really takes away from my overall enjoyment. There’s a nice dynamic between Kanan and Ezra at the end and again another less obvious theme of trying to decipher Yodas famous line and what it means.
Also isn’t that prison on Stygian where Maul was kept in Son of Dathomir? I think it’s the same place but not 100% certain.
Anyways I’m going to give this one an 8/10 it’s quite intriguing and one of the best episodes of season 1 imo.
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Post by Newan on Nov 22, 2019 13:02:03 GMT -5
Breaking Ranks is actually much better than I remember, it’s pretty light hearted like most of season 1 but it does have this grim background atmosphere to it with Leonisis’ sister disappearing and how the empire signals out certain individuals to be executed by the Inquisitors... no wonder the stormtroopers are so meh if their best cadets are often discarded. Although with the new Fallen Order lore perhaps some of these more advanced cadets are brainwashed or something and become Purge Troopers to serve the inquisitors?
I really liked “The Box” vibes even borrowing some music here, a very nice callback but not a total ripoff or anything. The cameo of the Inquisitor was intriguing and overall it was sort of cool to see imperial operations. I guess you can also see how most stormtroopers are pretty meh if they only get a few weeks of training exercises....
Anyways gonna give give this one a solid 7/10 and probably my second favorite episode of the season. Season 1 of Rebels does have its own appeal, it expands the universe subtly but keeps it light and sort of charming.
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Post by Newan on Nov 22, 2019 13:03:30 GMT -5
So far on this rewatch I can definitely see how kids would enjoy the humor, characters and action scenes while there is actually a lot to be read in between the lines for older audiences and hardcore fans of the lore/ franchise. Dave’s work no doubt.
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Post by Newan on Nov 22, 2019 13:24:18 GMT -5
Just looking at episode titles and going from memory there’s a good chance season 1 could be fairly highly rated just cause I think I’m going a bit easier on it... but later seasons have this tendency to give you some spectacular episodes and the some real meh ones and all you want to do is get back to the good plot lines. This show definitely has arcs in the same way the arrow verse does where you will get to see that one villain or plot point make an appearance once or twice every season and then leave until next season
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 22, 2019 18:29:42 GMT -5
Just started episode 4 and this feels like Teen Titans Go...
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 22, 2019 18:30:23 GMT -5
Kothal? Real creative, guys.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 22, 2019 18:58:45 GMT -5
You know how some Kids movies can be enjoyed by whole families? We call that a "Toy Story" And then the ones that are strictly enjoyed by kids? Let's call them "Ice Age 5" This episode is not a Toy Story, it's an Ice Age 5. Filled with a lame story, childish gags, and more dialogue that doesn't fit into Star Wars. This feels like it isn't even trying to be anything someone over 10 would enjoy. It's just dumb. It's the second time a Star Wars TV episode revolved around buying fruit, and honestly the last one was more interesting. Bland. Cliche. Without effort. This embodies everything I expected Rebels to be. 3/10.
Best thing I can say about it is that doesn't make the force easy as fuck like the ST. But it's not hard to write a better story than those shitty movies.
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 22, 2019 21:24:25 GMT -5
Fighter Flight
Honestly not terrible... Lots of cringe for sure but idk I still didn't hate it somehow... But these "rebels" are the fucking worst man the Imperials were just minding their own business and picking up supplies and those two terrorists just attack and kill them for a damn fruit 😡. Also it seems like the writers really like episodes about picking up fruit... It's like Evil Plans from TCW lol. But yeah overall pretty dumb. Maybe a couple things were not bad but... idk it's a weird and kinda pointless episode
Rise of the Old Masters
Title is kinda weird but ok... This one was decent. Good that we're starting to see the Inquisitor more. Another not bad episode I guess. I think I remember really liking it when it first aired but now it's just whatever. I hate how everything has to be "funny" though... This episode was basically let's see how many jokes we can milk from Yoda's do or do not line. Come on bruh. And the Kanan/Ezra moments are nothing compared to the wholesome Ahsoka/Anakin scenes from the movie/early episode. These characters smh just not good
Breaking Ranks
Fuck this one. Ezra is bad enough we don't need to see more annoying kids. And can characters stop nudging each other so cringe... Find a smarter way to show camaraderie
So yeah I think my opinions are still pretty consistent with what I thought when first seeing them. They're mostly okay, nothing special but annoying at many times as well
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 23, 2019 9:58:43 GMT -5
Kanan: *does mind trick*
Ezra: When will I learn that?
Kanan: Learn that? What, do you think the force requires some kind of training? No. Just do it without ever being taught if you ever get captured by a James Bond stormtrooper.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 23, 2019 10:23:52 GMT -5
Rise of the Old Masters is I guess by default the best episode so far. I knew about the Luminara twist, so maybe that took something away from it. Glad we finally got the Inquisitor. He was pretty cool but a few lines he had were super cheesy. Not a fan of his spinny blade. I kinda forgot about that. It's hard not to compare the prison story to the much better and tension filled Citadel. It feels pretty weak in comparison.
I like how they were at least smarter with taking our Imperials in this one. Forcing pulling their guns away to start was a great move. And I don't think we had any instances of Zeb laughing while he jumps into unwinnable fights and wins them. I guess they shouldn't have survived facing down all those troops pn the landing pad(It kinda reminded me of the end of Red Dead Redemption 1) but I'm willing to forgive that.
I wanted this episode to be good but honstly it kinda missed for me and I'm not really sure why. I think i comes down to the characters. The last two episodes have both made attempts at developing Zeb. But in this one he's back to his douchebag unlikable self. And I don't like Chopper. Sabine is a non presense. Hera is the only one I kinda like but she doesn't feel like a Star Wars character. The ending sequence is well thought out but it just doesn't hit for me. Kanan and Ezra just don't draw me in at all. I know exactly where their relationship was going and I don't care to see it.
I will call this episode objectively good, but I hoped it would be great. I'll give it a 6.5/10 but I hoped it would be better.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 23, 2019 10:55:09 GMT -5
i like R3-S6 more than i like Chopper.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 23, 2019 11:16:25 GMT -5
In case you didn't realize the test at the beginning of Episode 6 was basically The Box, they straight recycled music from The Box.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 23, 2019 11:40:37 GMT -5
Actually thought Episode 6 was pretty good. Nice to have a change of dynamics and I'm always down to see less of the Ghost crew. The story was kinda thin but I mean I think that's a given at this point. I guess the main positive is that nothing really annoyed me in this episode. For Rebels, that's quite an accomplishment. I think it was still maybe a little too light for the subject matter but that probably won't change. I'm comfortable giving it a 7/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 23, 2019 14:23:37 GMT -5
I guess you guys already know the answer to this so don't tell me but I wonder if we'll ever get to see more about how the Pre-Ezra crew came together why they started doing what they do. Honestly I'd be way more interested in that than in the story we're currently watching.
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 23, 2019 14:59:33 GMT -5
I guess you guys already know the answer to this so don't tell me but I wonder if we'll ever get to see more about how the Pre-Ezra crew came together why they started doing what they do. Honestly I'd be way more interested in that than in the story we're currently watching. I don't remember but I don't think we really got much of that. I think that one book about Kanan and Hera probably had stuff about it though |
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Post by Newan on Nov 23, 2019 15:11:39 GMT -5
I guess you guys already know the answer to this so don't tell me but I wonder if we'll ever get to see more about how the Pre-Ezra crew came together why they started doing what they do. Honestly I'd be way more interested in that than in the story we're currently watching. I don't remember but I don't think we really got much of that. I think that one book about Kanan and Hera probably had stuff about it though Actually we do... there’s specific episodes where their pasts are bit more revealed here and there. Kanan is a lot more subtle with little pieces over time. But we do later hear about Hera, Chooper, Zeb and Sabine’s pasts more. |
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 23, 2019 16:19:53 GMT -5
I don’t know why but this series really feels like something one of us would make, I mean from a writing standpoint.
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 23, 2019 19:35:15 GMT -5
I don’t know why but this series really feels like something one of us would make, I mean from a writing standpoint. Yep the writing for this and the sequels just screams amateur hour. I've said it before but it just feels like something you'd find in a fan film |
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Post by Star on Nov 24, 2019 11:39:56 GMT -5
I don’t know why but this series really feels like something one of us would make, I mean from a writing standpoint. Rebels definitely stands above the sequels, because at least this show gives us better developed characters and an overarching plot that still aligns with the rest of the lore without ruining any major concepts or characters. |
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Post by Star on Nov 24, 2019 11:45:13 GMT -5
I do not enjoy Fighter Flight. I know we need to develop the characters, but the plot is very unexciting. I'm not suggesting they get thrown into a battle "Star Tours" style to develop them, but at least pick something better than getting fruit.
The only positive I really have is that this episode wasn't quite as bad as I remembered. A few pieces of the humor work, and we do need episodes like this before jumping into bigger plots.
Giving a 4/10 for this one. I'm tempted to go lower, but there are 1-2 episodes I recall that actually might be more deserving of those lower scores.
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Post by Star on Nov 24, 2019 11:53:09 GMT -5
Rise of the Old Masters stands as my favorite episode of S1 until we get near the end. Unfortunately, that's more a testament to how mediocre S1 is rather than the brilliance of this episode. That being said, this is a cool episode, and I like how we saw the Spire where Maul was held captive. However, remembering that only made me sadder we didn't get to witness that in TCW.
The Grand Inquisitor has a good introduction here and comes across as mysterious and formidable. For the most part, he's a solid character, but a few of his lines are a little off-putting. The spinning blade is a cool design, but something that happens later on in the series makes me hesitant to bestow much praise on it. There's a much higher sense of stakes in this episode than the preceding ones.
I'm going with 7.5/10 for this one. A very good episode, but not quite worthy of more than that in my eyes.
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Post by Star on Nov 24, 2019 12:04:52 GMT -5
I'm not super impressed with Breaking Ranks, but it doesn't fall the lows of Fighter Flight or Droids in Distress. This episode gives more insight to the Imperial methods of training, even if it seems kind of bland.
This episode feels like a mix of Clone Cadets, The Box, and Death Trap, which leaves me a little confused on how to feel after viewing it. The imperial cadets are annoying, but the overall plot gets more interesting as the episode progresses. I'm just glad they didn't bloat this storyline, since I think we get the right amount of time with everything that occurs.
An average episode for sure, but it does have some good moments. A 6.5/10 for me.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 24, 2019 12:26:41 GMT -5
I do not enjoy Fighter Flight. I know we need to develop the characters, but the plot is very unexciting. I'm not suggesting they get thrown into a battle "Star Tours" style to develop them, but at least pick something better than getting fruit. The only positive I really have is that this episode wasn't quite as bad as I remembered. A few pieces of the humor work, and we do need episodes like this before jumping into bigger plots. Giving a 4/10 for this one. I'm tempted to go lower, but there are 1-2 episodes I recall that actually might be more deserving of those lower scores.oh no |
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Post by Star on Nov 24, 2019 12:55:04 GMT -5
I do not enjoy Fighter Flight. I know we need to develop the characters, but the plot is very unexciting. I'm not suggesting they get thrown into a battle "Star Tours" style to develop them, but at least pick something better than getting fruit. The only positive I really have is that this episode wasn't quite as bad as I remembered. A few pieces of the humor work, and we do need episodes like this before jumping into bigger plots. Giving a 4/10 for this one. I'm tempted to go lower, but there are 1-2 episodes I recall that actually might be more deserving of those lower scores.oh no These episodes are both from early S3, but now that I'm thinking about it, it's possible there's another episode that could be in this grouping as well from S2. |
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