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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Nov 23, 2019 14:53:30 GMT -5
“through Imperial eyes” is probably the best episode in the show possibly Strong contender, yet i think A World Between Worlds was really powerful. Or the episode Jedi Night with its emotional ending.
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Post by Newan on Nov 23, 2019 15:09:41 GMT -5
“through Imperial eyes” is probably the best episode in the show possibly Strong contender, yet i think A World Between Worlds was really powerful. Or the episode Jedi Night with its emotional ending. Possibly, idk will have to see with the rewatch
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Post by Star on Nov 24, 2019 12:10:14 GMT -5
“through Imperial eyes” is probably the best episode in the show possibly Strong contender, yet i think A World Between Worlds was really powerful. Or the episode Jedi Night with its emotional ending. Other episodes I'd throw into that discussion are Twilight of the Apprentice and Shroud of Darkness.
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Nov 24, 2019 16:28:20 GMT -5
Strong contender, yet i think A World Between Worlds was really powerful. Or the episode Jedi Night with its emotional ending. Other episodes I'd throw into that discussion are Twilight of the Apprentice and Shroud of Darkness. Very good picks indeed.
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 30, 2019 16:07:18 GMT -5
I kinda went ahead and binged the rest of the season lol. I may not keep up with the rewatch schedule...
But after Empire Day the show goes from garbage to every episode being pretty great
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 1, 2019 16:19:43 GMT -5
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Post by Kenbo on May 12, 2020 19:07:12 GMT -5
Well I am starting the show from the beginning for a third time... I know we just finished a rewatch (or at least I did) but I keep forgetting stuff. A lot of it is so forgettable because it's not really episodic and just sort of blends together. But I'm going to approach it again with more of an open mind.
For a good chunk of the rewatch I just kept talking shit about it and maybe didn't focus enough on the positives. I see that it has a decently sized fan base and I want to understand why. So watching the first few episodes again I can sort of see why people like it or the Ghost crew specifically. I guess I did too when I was 13 and the show first started. I mean I got like the lego sets and stuff lol so I was a fan then. I just can't believe how season 1 disappointed me less than the following seasons when everyone's biggest defense of the show is "it gets better". I guess I'm just weird
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Post by Star on May 13, 2020 9:55:46 GMT -5
Well I am starting the show from the beginning for a third time... I know we just finished a rewatch (or at least I did) but I keep forgetting stuff. A lot of it is so forgettable because it's not really episodic and just sort of blends together. But I'm going to approach it again with more of an open mind. For a good chunk of the rewatch I just kept talking shit about it and maybe didn't focus enough on the positives. I see that it has a decently sized fan base and I want to understand why. So watching the first few episodes again I can sort of see why people like it or the Ghost crew specifically. I guess I did too when I was 13 and the show first started. I mean I got like the lego sets and stuff lol so I was a fan then. I just can't believe how season 1 disappointed me less than the following seasons when everyone's biggest defense of the show is "it gets better". I guess I'm just weird I get what you mean with Rebels blending together at parts. But to be fair, TCW is one of the only shows I recall almost perfectly because I watched all its episodes multiple times growing up.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 13, 2020 11:06:48 GMT -5
Finally have time to watch this and TCW S7 now
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Post by Kenbo on May 13, 2020 11:56:08 GMT -5
Well I am starting the show from the beginning for a third time... I know we just finished a rewatch (or at least I did) but I keep forgetting stuff. A lot of it is so forgettable because it's not really episodic and just sort of blends together. But I'm going to approach it again with more of an open mind. For a good chunk of the rewatch I just kept talking shit about it and maybe didn't focus enough on the positives. I see that it has a decently sized fan base and I want to understand why. So watching the first few episodes again I can sort of see why people like it or the Ghost crew specifically. I guess I did too when I was 13 and the show first started. I mean I got like the lego sets and stuff lol so I was a fan then. I just can't believe how season 1 disappointed me less than the following seasons when everyone's biggest defense of the show is "it gets better". I guess I'm just weird I get what you mean with Rebels blending together at parts. But to be fair, TCW is one of the only shows I recall almost perfectly because I watched all its episodes multiple times growing up. I would say TCW is easy to remember because every episode is pretty unique in terms of premise, characters, and locations. Or at least every storyline. The four episodes in an arc might sort of blend together but you will still remember what the overall arc was about. For serialized shows with long seasons it's harder to remember each episode because often they are all connected in a linear plot line and there is a lot of filler that makes it feel slow and also kind of like a blur
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Post by Kenbo on May 13, 2020 22:15:02 GMT -5
I finished season one (again lol). Alright I'm just gonna say it I really like season 1. It was good. People who say season 1 was rough but it gets better I just feel like don't know what they're talking about. All they remember is Ahsoka vs Vader and Maul vs Kenobi. Out of 15 episodes maybe like 4-6 were bad or at worst just slow. After episode 7, the characters didn't annoy me or make me cringe that much. And the Kanan rescue "arc" is honestly three of my most favorite episodes of the show
It might not be incredible but the first season is fun with the small scope and just following the crew messing around on Lothal. Maybe it gets more "interesting" afterwards but I don't think that makes it necessarily good. Honestly I think the show would've been much better without all the movie and TCW characters they added. For most they are probably the best part or what saved the show but ironically I feel they are the worst part because they are just handled so poorly. If they stuck with original characters, they could've spent time developing them and making them stronger but instead they sort of just wasted time on the old characters.
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Post by Star on May 14, 2020 13:18:34 GMT -5
I finished season one (again lol). Alright I'm just gonna say it I really like season 1. It was good. People who say season 1 was rough but it gets better I just feel like don't know what they're talking about. All they remember is Ahsoka vs Vader and Maul vs Kenobi. Out of 15 episodes maybe like 4-6 were bad or at worst just slow. After episode 7, the characters didn't annoy me or make me cringe that much. And the Kanan rescue "arc" is honestly three of my most favorite episodes of the show It might not be incredible but the first season is fun with the small scope and just following the crew messing around on Lothal. Maybe it gets more "interesting" afterwards but I don't think that makes it necessarily good. Honestly I think the show would've been much better without all the movie and TCW characters they added. For most they are probably the best part or what saved the show but ironically I feel they are the worst part because they are just handled so poorly. If they stuck with original characters, they could've spent time developing them and making them stronger but instead they sort of just wasted time on the old characters. I like the small scope of S1 also, but the first half falls flat for me. It takes time to establish and adjust to the new characters. Yet I can't help but dislike them and the stories until we reach Empire Day. The second half of S1 is honestly pretty good though. One of the strongest stretches of episodes I think, even if not as ambitious or complex as later plot threads.
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Post by Star on May 14, 2020 13:22:53 GMT -5
Looking at my ratings, S1P2 is the strongest "half season" for me, followed closely by S3P2. Although if not for Double Agent Droid, S3P2 would be much higher... I guess it's kind of like TCW in the sense where we get individual episodes that are much better as the show progresses, but the quality deviates a lot more compared to earlier episodes.
I'll know for sure when I finish the rewatch, but S4P2 will likely be the high point of the show for me. I expect 8s and higher for all of those episodes.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 14, 2020 19:06:36 GMT -5
I finished season one (again lol). Alright I'm just gonna say it I really like season 1. It was good. People who say season 1 was rough but it gets better I just feel like don't know what they're talking about. All they remember is Ahsoka vs Vader and Maul vs Kenobi. Out of 15 episodes maybe like 4-6 were bad or at worst just slow. After episode 7, the characters didn't annoy me or make me cringe that much. And the Kanan rescue "arc" is honestly three of my most favorite episodes of the show It might not be incredible but the first season is fun with the small scope and just following the crew messing around on Lothal. Maybe it gets more "interesting" afterwards but I don't think that makes it necessarily good. Honestly I think the show would've been much better without all the movie and TCW characters they added. For most they are probably the best part or what saved the show but ironically I feel they are the worst part because they are just handled so poorly. If they stuck with original characters, they could've spent time developing them and making them stronger but instead they sort of just wasted time on the old characters. Obviously I haven’t seen everything yet but Season 1 actually surprised me in places. Episodes 9 and 10 I thought were great. Season 2 on the other hand I’ve found pretty lame. None of the TCW characters are ruined, but they don’t feel like they have to be there.
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Post by Kenbo on May 14, 2020 20:13:47 GMT -5
I finished season one (again lol). Alright I'm just gonna say it I really like season 1. It was good. People who say season 1 was rough but it gets better I just feel like don't know what they're talking about. All they remember is Ahsoka vs Vader and Maul vs Kenobi. Out of 15 episodes maybe like 4-6 were bad or at worst just slow. After episode 7, the characters didn't annoy me or make me cringe that much. And the Kanan rescue "arc" is honestly three of my most favorite episodes of the show It might not be incredible but the first season is fun with the small scope and just following the crew messing around on Lothal. Maybe it gets more "interesting" afterwards but I don't think that makes it necessarily good. Honestly I think the show would've been much better without all the movie and TCW characters they added. For most they are probably the best part or what saved the show but ironically I feel they are the worst part because they are just handled so poorly. If they stuck with original characters, they could've spent time developing them and making them stronger but instead they sort of just wasted time on the old characters. Obviously I haven’t seen everything yet but Season 1 actually surprised me in places. Episodes 9 and 10 I thought were great. Season 2 on the other hand I’ve found pretty lame. None of the TCW characters are ruined, but they don’t feel like they have to be there. I think Hondo and Maul were kind of ruined tbh... Or rather just portrayed inaccurately as "ruin" is an exaggeration But yeah none of them served any real purpose on the show. Removing them or replacing them with other characters doesn't really change all that much because they just weren't involved in any interesting storylines.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 14, 2020 21:20:53 GMT -5
Obviously I haven’t seen everything yet but Season 1 actually surprised me in places. Episodes 9 and 10 I thought were great. Season 2 on the other hand I’ve found pretty lame. None of the TCW characters are ruined, but they don’t feel like they have to be there. I think Hondo and Maul were kind of ruined tbh... Or rather just portrayed inaccurately as "ruin" is an exaggeration But yeah none of them served any real purpose on the show. Removing them or replacing them with other characters doesn't really change all that much because they just weren't involved in any interesting storylines. I think each of those characters seem like simplified versions of who we saw in TCW. It's hard to describe, but they just feel less real. Like idealized versions of their characters with none of the depth they had before. Like I know it could sometimes it could be jarring sometimes to see Hondo shift between charming friend and heartless villain, but it seems wrong to just ignore that side of him, or at least to never take his dark side all that seriously.
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Post by Kenbo on May 19, 2020 9:34:32 GMT -5
Figured I'd give them ratings this time around
Season 1
Spark of Rebellion Part 1 (6.5/10)
Spark of Rebellion Part 2 (7/10)
Droids in Distress (6/10)
Fighter Flight (6.5/10)
Rise of the Old Masters (8.5/10)
Breaking Ranks (6.5/10)
Out of Darkness (6.5/10)
Empire Day (8/10)
Gathering Forces (8/10)
Path of the Jedi (8/10)
Idiiot's Array (7/10)
Vision of Hope (7/10)
Call to Action (9/10)
Rebel Resolve (8/10)
Fire Across the Galaxy (9/10)
Average: 7.4/10
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Post by Kenbo on May 19, 2020 11:27:37 GMT -5
Season 2
Siege of Lothal Part 1 (7/10)
Siege of Lothal Part 2 (7/10)
The Lost Commanders (7/10)
Relics of the Old Republic (8/10)
Always Two There Are (8/10)
Brothers of the Broken Horn (5/10)
Wings of the Master (7/10)
Blood Sisters (4/10)
Stealth Strike (7/10)
The Future of the Force (9/10)
Legacy (5/10)
A Princess on Lothal (6.5/10)
The Protector of Concord Dawn (7/10)
Legends of the Lasat (6.5/10)
The Call (6.5/10)
Homecoming (7/10)
The Honorable Ones (9/10)
Shroud of Darkness (9/10)
Forgotten Droid (4.5/10)
The Mystery of Chopper Base (7/10)
Twilight of the Apprentice Part 1 (7.5/10)
Twilight of the Apprentice Part 2 (8.5/10)
Average: 6.95/10
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Post by Spidyyr on May 19, 2020 14:24:36 GMT -5
My frustration with Rebels so far is that I think it has potential to be a great show. It has moments of occasional brilliance. But it sandwiches them between episodes that are just so uninteresting and hard to watch. I think the biggest mistake so far was really not taking advantage of Ahsoka in Season 2. She only had a major role in 6 episodes, and only 4 if you condense the Part 1 and Part 2. And only two episodes that weren't the premiere or finale.
I was really excited to see what Ahsoka was like in this time, but we really didn't get much of that. Okay she's a strong leader, and she fights good, and what else? She comes off like the mostly interchangeable female Jedi masters from TCW. But in TCW they had the good sense not to put fucking Luminara Unduli on the poster for Season 2.
I know Ahsoka is in there for us TCW fans, but her simply "being there" isn't enough. And I feel like they'll probably fall into this trap again in Mandalorian Season 2. Show me how she's changed. Give her a relationship with the main characters. Make me buy it that Ezra would be so torn up about her in the finale. Justify the somber music and visuals.
I care about her because of TCW, yes good. But she's a complete non-entity in Rebels. It was easy to forget that she was even on this show in the middle section of Season 2, which is pretty bad for the character you're staking the feels of your two-part finale on.
Rex pretty much suffers rom the same thing. Like what they did with him in Stealth Strike but then he became a tertiary character. Not as mad though because I know he's in Season 3.
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Post by Kenbo on May 19, 2020 17:52:43 GMT -5
My frustration with Rebels so far is that I think it has potential to be a great show. It has moments of occasional brilliance. But it sandwiches them between episodes that are just so uninteresting and hard to watch. I think the biggest mistake so far was really not taking advantage of Ahsoka in Season 2. She only had a major role in 6 episodes, and only 4 if you condense the Part 1 and Part 2. And only two episodes that weren't the premiere or finale. I was really excited to see what Ahsoka was like in this time, but we really didn't get much of that. Okay she's a strong leader, and she fights good, and what else? She comes off like the mostly interchangeable female Jedi masters from TCW. But in TCW they had the good sense not to put fucking Luminara Unduli on the poster for Season 2. I know Ahsoka is in there for us TCW fans, but her simply "being there" isn't enough. And I feel like they'll probably fall into this trap again in Mandalorian Season 2. Show me how she's changed. Give her a relationship with the main characters. Make me buy it that Ezra would be so torn up about her in the finale. Justify the somber music and visuals. I care about her because of TCW, yes good. But she's a complete non-entity in Rebels. It was easy to forget that she was even on this show in the middle section of Season 2, which is pretty bad for the character you're staking the feels of your two-part finale on. Rex pretty much suffers rom the same thing. Like what they did with him in Stealth Strike but then he became a tertiary character. Not as mad though because I know he's in Season 3. I wish more people thought about things like this instead of just mindlessly eating up content. People won't stop nutting over Ahsoka being on Rebels just because she fought Vader but in reality her inclusion kind of hurt the show at least for me. It just raised so many unneeded questions that they were not willing to give answers to. All the legacy characters they showed just feel sort of off or kinda hollow because there's a 15 year gap in their story. We don't know what they did or what happened to them or how they might have changed. I just think it's something we should know. Other characters don't have this same issue. We know Obi-Wan watched over Luke and lived a quiet life on Tatooine in that 19 year gap. We know Yoda probably did Force stuff on Dagobah. We know Vader hunted Jedi. How is Ahsoka suddenly working with Bail Organa? Why is Maul looking for a holocron? Why is Hondo all by himself? Idk. I just feel this show leaves too many things unexplained or when it does explain things it's very flimsy. I don't want another show to do this but I'm 99% sure Mando will be ruined in my eyes because if will follow the path Rebels did.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 19, 2020 18:46:21 GMT -5
My frustration with Rebels so far is that I think it has potential to be a great show. It has moments of occasional brilliance. But it sandwiches them between episodes that are just so uninteresting and hard to watch. I think the biggest mistake so far was really not taking advantage of Ahsoka in Season 2. She only had a major role in 6 episodes, and only 4 if you condense the Part 1 and Part 2. And only two episodes that weren't the premiere or finale. I was really excited to see what Ahsoka was like in this time, but we really didn't get much of that. Okay she's a strong leader, and she fights good, and what else? She comes off like the mostly interchangeable female Jedi masters from TCW. But in TCW they had the good sense not to put fucking Luminara Unduli on the poster for Season 2. I know Ahsoka is in there for us TCW fans, but her simply "being there" isn't enough. And I feel like they'll probably fall into this trap again in Mandalorian Season 2. Show me how she's changed. Give her a relationship with the main characters. Make me buy it that Ezra would be so torn up about her in the finale. Justify the somber music and visuals. I care about her because of TCW, yes good. But she's a complete non-entity in Rebels. It was easy to forget that she was even on this show in the middle section of Season 2, which is pretty bad for the character you're staking the feels of your two-part finale on. Rex pretty much suffers rom the same thing. Like what they did with him in Stealth Strike but then he became a tertiary character. Not as mad though because I know he's in Season 3. I wish more people thought about things like this instead of just mindlessly eating up content. People won't stop nutting over Ahsoka being on Rebels just because she fought Vader but in reality her inclusion kind of hurt the show at least for me. It just raised so many unneeded questions that they were not willing to give answers to. All the legacy characters they showed just feel sort of off or kinda hollow because there's a 15 year gap in their story. We don't know what they did or what happened to them or how they might have changed. I just think it's something we should know. Other characters don't have this same issue. We know Obi-Wan watched over Luke and lived a quiet life on Tatooine in that 19 year gap. We know Yoda probably did Force stuff on Dagobah. We know Vader hunted Jedi. How is Ahsoka suddenly working with Bail Organa? Why is Maul looking for a holocron? Why is Hondo all by himself? Idk. I just feel this show leaves too many things unexplained or when it does explain things it's very flimsy. I don't want another show to do this but I'm 99% sure Mando will be ruined in my eyes because if will follow the path Rebels did. I certainly feel like Ahsoka should not have been in this show. If you can't do an old character justice, don't use them. I haven't watched Season 7 of TCW yet (I'm gonna finish Rebels first) but I feel like TCW would have been the proper place to end her story. But given that Dave probably never thought he'd be able to do the end of TCW, I can see why he put her here. Just would've been nice for him to explore her character a bit.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 19, 2020 19:27:00 GMT -5
Added Season 2 to the rankings page
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Post by Kenbo on May 20, 2020 13:48:15 GMT -5
So I guess I kiiind of like this show tbh... But I like it about as much as I like the Mandalorian. Which means it is incredibly mediocre. But it's got a sort of "cozy" vibe to it if that makes sense. I do like the idea of the Ghost crew and when the characters aren't being annoying, they're actually kind of strong. And I have to say I actually really like the animation, at least the backgrounds and ships and whatnot. It's just all the people that look like chunks of rubber.
All that being said it's still a massive waste of potential. They just never did anything that significant or interesting. Like you said in another thread, Spider, the show does feel oddly episodic even though it's supposed to be serialized. Most episodes do stand alone more or less and nearly every plot line is confined to one episode. Which is unfortunate because there were some, if spread over multiple episodes, that could've been really solid.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 20, 2020 15:35:04 GMT -5
So I guess I kiiind of like this show tbh... But I like it about as much as I like the Mandalorian. Which means it is incredibly mediocre. But it's got a sort of "cozy" vibe to it if that makes sense. I do like the idea of the Ghost crew and when the characters aren't being annoying, they're actually kind of strong. And I have to say I actually really like the animation, at least the backgrounds and ships and whatnot. It's just all the people that look like chunks of rubber. All that being said it's still a massive waste of potential. They just never did anything that significant or interesting. Like you said in another thread, Spider, the show does feel oddly episodic even though it's supposed to be serialized. Most episodes do stand alone more or less and nearly every plot line is confined to one episode. Which is unfortunate because there were some, if spread over multiple episodes, that could've been really solid. This sums up my feelings pretty well. It's not like the animation looks terrible, but there are a lot of questionable character designs IMO. The main cast look fine at least, but I just have no idea what they were trying to do with Vader, Ahsoka, Yoda, Maul, and Hondo especially. I guess TCW Dooku kinda suffered from the same thing. I think in TCW they started out trying to be over stylized, but then dropped it and went for a more realistic look. You can tell from Palpatine and Yoda's Season 5 redesigns. And it's jarring to go from TCW, and thereby see some characters look radically different in what is essentially the same form of animation. Considering how connected the shows are, I wish the returning characters looked more or less the same. But anyway I digress. I think this is a great time period for a show and I see why you'd want to do a story chronicling the rise of the Rebel Alliance. And I don't like to say I could do something better than professional writers, but it's easy to see how the show could be much better with really just a few changes. As it stands, this show is fine, but I don't think it's something I'd ever watch again.
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Post by Spidyyr on May 20, 2020 15:36:31 GMT -5
Once I'm done watching this show, I think I'm gonna make a comprehensive list of changes that I think would have made the show better. I personally would have taken a much different approach to a show set in this time, but I'll try to keep it as similar as possible.
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Post by Kenbo on May 20, 2020 16:54:04 GMT -5
So I guess I kiiind of like this show tbh... But I like it about as much as I like the Mandalorian. Which means it is incredibly mediocre. But it's got a sort of "cozy" vibe to it if that makes sense. I do like the idea of the Ghost crew and when the characters aren't being annoying, they're actually kind of strong. And I have to say I actually really like the animation, at least the backgrounds and ships and whatnot. It's just all the people that look like chunks of rubber. All that being said it's still a massive waste of potential. They just never did anything that significant or interesting. Like you said in another thread, Spider, the show does feel oddly episodic even though it's supposed to be serialized. Most episodes do stand alone more or less and nearly every plot line is confined to one episode. Which is unfortunate because there were some, if spread over multiple episodes, that could've been really solid. I just have no idea what they were trying to do with Vader, Ahsoka, Yoda, Maul, and Hondo Of these Maul looked sort of alright imo. And Ahsoka’s body was kind of hot decent if not a bit skinny but her face looked like a bean. Yoda was an abomination... Anakin as well. Hondo I think would’ve been okay if he had his coat. In fact many characters would’ve looked cooler with some extra stuff on their outfits but it seems their budget just didn’t cover it. I believe Vader’s cape was the only piece of moving cloth they ever animated. Actually thinking about it that might be why we barely saw him. Too expensive to animate and maybe JEJ was too expensive to keep on too
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Post by Kenbo on May 23, 2020 13:38:20 GMT -5
Season 3 Ratings
Steps Into the Shadow Part 1 (7/10)
Steps Into the Shadow Part 2 (8/10)
Holocrons of Fate (7/10)
The Antilles Extraction (8/10)
Hera's Heroes (8.5/10)
The Last Battle (6/10)
Imperial Supercommandos (9/10)
Iron Squadron (1/10)
The Wynkathu Job (5.5/10)
An Inside Man (6/10)
Visions and Voices (7.5/10)
Ghosts of Geonosis Part 1 (7.5/10)
Ghosts of Geonosis Part 2 (8/10)
Warhead (4.5/10)
Trials of the Darksaber (7.5/10)
Legacy of Mandalore (10/10)
Through Imperial Eyes (8/10)
Secret Cargo (6/10)
Double Agent Droid (2/10)
Twin Suns (6.5/10)
Zero Hour Part 1 (10/10)
Zero Hour Part 2 (9.5/10)
Average: 6.95/10
Average is same as season 2. Before I thought season 3 was my least favorite season but I think it had some really strong episodes. However unfortunately it also had many of the worst episodes of the show so that brings the average down. I think the Zero Hour finale might be my most favorite episodes of the show. I think most of season 4 has great episodes too but I don't remember if any can beat Zero Hour for me. Every episode of the show has at least one thing I am dissatisfied by but there really wasn't much in Zero Hour I thought should've been different or better
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Post by Kenbo on May 23, 2020 13:42:47 GMT -5
Idk if I was too generous on some of them though... But I think it's important to note that an 8/10 for Rebels means something different compared to an 8/10 for TCW or some other show. Many of the good episodes of Rebels are good because the rest of the show has set the bar so low. I think even some of the best episodes of Rebels only equate to an average episode of TCW lol
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Post by Spidyyr on May 23, 2020 13:49:45 GMT -5
Idk if I was too generous on some of them though... But I think it's important to note that an 8/10 for Rebels means something different compared to an 8/10 for TCW or some other show. Many of the good episodes of Rebels are good because the rest of the show has set the bar so low. I think even some of the best episodes of Rebels only equate to an average episode of TCW lol I try my best to make it the same standard across the board but of course having a different average is quality is going to affect my scale.
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Post by Kenbo on May 24, 2020 22:03:04 GMT -5
It is surprising to me that Gary Whitta and Matt Michnovitz, two writers for this show, also wrote Rogue One and Fallen Order respectively which were actually good... Lol. And Matt is the one who wrote Iron Squadron 💀
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