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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 15:33:43 GMT -5
Yeah same, but it sounded like the guy said it wasn't too big or bad. So hopefully it's just a small thing for character development. It's going to e really weird seeing Legolas and Kili actually like someone though. Kili just doesn't seem right too me (although in the book, didn't it say he liked an elf?) and Legolas, it just seems wrong. Kili thinks Elves don't look all that bad. There is a scene in "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Extended Edition" making that very clear. How much extra content is really in the extended version?
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 15:41:53 GMT -5
Kili thinks Elves don't look all that bad. There is a scene in "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Extended Edition" making that very clear. How much extra content is really in the extended version? I'll make a list.
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Post by Potato on Dec 8, 2013 15:51:28 GMT -5
You can also just look it up online. A lot of the scenes are up there... although I don't think there's as many in AUJ compared to any of the LOTR movies.
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 16:05:19 GMT -5
A list of the extra content in "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Extended Edition":
- A bit more developed in the Prologue between Thror and Thranduil - Young Bilbo with Gandalf's fireworks - Bilbo at the Hobbit market - An explanation about Bifur - Thorin explaining Gandalf that Bilbo's fate is not on his hands - Bilbo asking Gandalf where the secret path will lead to (to Rivendell) - Kili telling the Dwarves Elven Maidens aren't that bad and mistaking an Elven male for a maiden - Bifor and the Dwarves singing and making a mess at Elrond's dinner - Bilbo watching the Rivendell art gallery and the broken sword - Bilbo talking with Elrond - Elrond seeing the Dwarves skinny dipping in a Rivendell fountain - Bilbo and Thorin overhearing a conversation between Gandalf and Elrond - Extra dialogue for The White Council - "Down, Down, Down in Golbin Town" an opening song for the Great Goblin - The Goblins thinking the Dwarves are in league with Elves because Nori has stolen silver wear from Rivendell - The Dwarves trying to talk their way out of it
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 16:07:00 GMT -5
You can also just look it up online. A lot of the scenes are up there... although I don't think there's as many in AUJ compared to any of the LOTR movies. There is not. The LOTR extended edition (i like to call them the original edition btw, also for the hobbit) have atleast one hour extra each. The Hobbit 20 minutes. Still, the more Middle-Earth, the better
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Post by Potato on Dec 8, 2013 16:31:04 GMT -5
I really feel like the scene with Elrond inviting Bilbo to stay at Rivendell should have been in the theatrical release. It really sets up FOTR well. Although I have to admit that scene really does feel like one that would belong in the extended edition anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 16:33:50 GMT -5
A list of the extra content in "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Extended Edition": - A bit more developed in the Prologue between Thror and Thranduil - Young Bilbo with Gandalf's fireworks - Bilbo at the Hobbit market - An explanation about Bifur - Thorin explaining Gandalf that Bilbo's fate is not on his hands - Bilbo asking Gandalf where the secret path will lead to (to Rivendell) - Kili telling the Dwarves Elven Maidens aren't that bad and mistaking an Elven male for a maiden - Bifor and the Dwarves singing and making a mess at Elrond's dinner - Bilbo watching the Rivendell art gallery and the broken sword - Bilbo talking with Elrond - Elrond seeing the Dwarves skinny dipping in a Rivendell fountain - Bilbo and Thorin overhearing a conversation between Gandalf and Elrond - Extra dialogue for The White Council - "Down, Down, Down in Golbin Town" an opening song for the Great Goblin - The Goblins thinking the Dwarves are in league with Elves because Nori has stolen silver wear from Rivendell - The Dwarves trying to talk their way out of it Thanks. If I have the regular version on DVD already, would you say it's worth the money to get the extended version?
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 16:36:55 GMT -5
I really feel like the scene with Elrond inviting Bilbo to stay at Rivendell should have been in the theatrical release. It really sets up FOTR well. Although I have to admit that scene really does feel like one that would belong in the extended edition anyway. I think they should've just shown everything in the theater. The movie is already perfect and these extra scenes, while mostly fun, add more perfection (<----Fan talk a bit)
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 16:38:37 GMT -5
A list of the extra content in "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Extended Edition": - A bit more developed in the Prologue between Thror and Thranduil - Young Bilbo with Gandalf's fireworks - Bilbo at the Hobbit market - An explanation about Bifur - Thorin explaining Gandalf that Bilbo's fate is not on his hands - Bilbo asking Gandalf where the secret path will lead to (to Rivendell) - Kili telling the Dwarves Elven Maidens aren't that bad and mistaking an Elven male for a maiden - Bifor and the Dwarves singing and making a mess at Elrond's dinner - Bilbo watching the Rivendell art gallery and the broken sword - Bilbo talking with Elrond - Elrond seeing the Dwarves skinny dipping in a Rivendell fountain - Bilbo and Thorin overhearing a conversation between Gandalf and Elrond - Extra dialogue for The White Council - "Down, Down, Down in Golbin Town" an opening song for the Great Goblin - The Goblins thinking the Dwarves are in league with Elves because Nori has stolen silver wear from Rivendell - The Dwarves trying to talk their way out of it Thanks. If I have the regular version on DVD already, would you say it's worth the money to get the extended version? In my eyes. Yes. It's the Hobbit! One of the best movies ever! (in my eyes) The more screen time the better the way i see it. But maybe you can do what i do. Wait for the third Hobbit to come out on Extended Edition Dvd and Blu-ray and see if they release a Blu-ray or DVD Extended Edition Trilogy Box and buy that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 16:40:53 GMT -5
Thanks. If I have the regular version on DVD already, would you say it's worth the money to get the extended version? In my eyes. Yes. It's the Hobbit! One of the best movies ever! (in my eyes) The more screen time the better the way i see it. But maybe you can do what i do. Wait for the third Hobbit to come out on Extended Edition Dvd and Blu-ray and see if they release a Blu-ray or DVD Extended Edition Trilogy Box and buy that. Great idea! More than likely the bundle (if it comes out) of the extended versions will be cheaper than buying them individually. I'll wait and see because if they do then that would be the way to go then.
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 16:45:50 GMT -5
In my eyes. Yes. It's the Hobbit! One of the best movies ever! (in my eyes) The more screen time the better the way i see it. But maybe you can do what i do. Wait for the third Hobbit to come out on Extended Edition Dvd and Blu-ray and see if they release a Blu-ray or DVD Extended Edition Trilogy Box and buy that. Great idea! More than likely the bundle (if it comes out) of the extended versions will be cheaper than buying them individually. I'll wait and see because if they do then that would be the way to go then. That is what i am going to do. Assuming that they will release a Trilogy Blu-Ray box of all three Extended Editions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 16:50:06 GMT -5
Great idea! More than likely the bundle (if it comes out) of the extended versions will be cheaper than buying them individually. I'll wait and see because if they do then that would be the way to go then. That is what i am going to do. Assuming that they will release a Trilogy Blu-Ray box of all three Extended Editions. They have it for the LOTR trilogy so more than likely they will do the same for this series as well.
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Post by Potato on Dec 8, 2013 16:52:25 GMT -5
I really feel like the scene with Elrond inviting Bilbo to stay at Rivendell should have been in the theatrical release. It really sets up FOTR well. Although I have to admit that scene really does feel like one that would belong in the extended edition anyway. I think they should've just shown everything in the theater. The movie is already perfect and these extra scenes, while mostly fun, add more perfection (<----Fan talk a bit) Unfortunately the realistic side of this is that they probably could't have all of the extra scenes in the theatrical version. For one they probably had a certain run time that the studio didn't want them to go too far over, and then they can also make lots of extra money by selling the extended editions several months later with the extra scenes.
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 16:52:44 GMT -5
That is what i am going to do. Assuming that they will release a Trilogy Blu-Ray box of all three Extended Editions. They have it for the LOTR trilogy so more than likely they will do the same for this series as well. I plan to buy the LOTR Box one day. But i think you're probably right. It would be odd if they didn't release one.
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 16:54:42 GMT -5
I think they should've just shown everything in the theater. The movie is already perfect and these extra scenes, while mostly fun, add more perfection (<----Fan talk a bit) Unfortunately the realistic side of this is that they probably could't have all of the extra scenes in the theatrical version. For one they probably had a certain run time that the studio didn't want them to go too far over, and then they can also make lots of extra money by selling the extended editions several months later with the extra scenes. That is true. But you can't deny it is good marketing and it only seems fair this Trilogy get Extended Editions as well just like LOTR. And i'm not everyone would have appreciated the Golbin King's song in theaters. Even though it is in the book i believe. The song is awesome, for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 16:56:38 GMT -5
Unfortunately the realistic side of this is that they probably could't have all of the extra scenes in the theatrical version. For one they probably had a certain run time that the studio didn't want them to go too far over, and then they can also make lots of extra money by selling the extended editions several months later with the extra scenes. That is true. But you can't deny it is good marketing and it only seems fair this Trilogy get Extended Editions as well just like LOTR. And i'm not everyone would have appreciated the Golbin King's song in theaters. Even though it is in the book i believe. The song is awesome, for me. It is part of the book and should be part of the movie.
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Post by Potato on Dec 8, 2013 17:00:40 GMT -5
That is true. But you can't deny it is good marketing and it only seems fair this Trilogy get Extended Editions as well just like LOTR. And i'm not everyone would have appreciated the Golbin King's song in theaters. Even though it is in the book i believe. The song is awesome, for me. It is part of the book and should be part of the movie. It's debatable. Some parts of books just don't translate well onto screens. For example, if Bilbo was to get knocked out during the beginning of the Battle of the Five Armies and then wake up after it's over in the movie just like in the book, then audiences are going to be really disappointed. They want to see the battle. The same goes with Gandalf going to Dol Guldur. If the movie just had him say he's leaving then that would be sort of weird... that's why they're expanding the Gandalf and Dol Guldur plot line (and it's in the LOTR appendices).
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 10, 2013 17:25:36 GMT -5
I'm now at Chapter 8: "Flies And Spiders" I feel that this will become a favorite chapter of mine because i'm looking forward to this part in the movie.
Also, i'm currently listening to the Special Edition soundtrack of "The Desolation of Smaug"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 20:24:37 GMT -5
Just a reminder to those who have reserved seats for Desolation of Smaug for tomorrow. Please make sure you only give your opinion of the movie and not spoilers. If you wish to talk about it please put in BIG BOLD LETTERS: SPOILERS. (I've read the book, but I've been waiting to see this movie for about a year now). Thanks . But I still want to hear your opinions about it as well though.
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Post by Spidyyr on Dec 12, 2013 20:30:39 GMT -5
Just a reminder to those who have reserved seats for Desolation of Smaug for tomorrow. Please make sure you only give your opinion of the movie and not spoilers. If you wish to talk about it please put in BIG BOLD LETTERS: SPOILERS. (I've read the book, but I've been waiting to see this movie for about a year now). Thanks . But I still want to hear your opinions about it as well though. Or use the spoilers thing that hides text unless you click
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Post by Star on Dec 12, 2013 22:43:43 GMT -5
I don't think this counts as spoilers, but if you want to know nothing about a brief idea to how the film starts, than don't read this. I've heard that "Smaug" is supposed to open with a bang by having an almost western style chase scene or something. This sounds good.
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Post by Potato on Dec 13, 2013 17:27:03 GMT -5
I'm really hoping to see this tomorrow.
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Post by bobafett590 on Dec 14, 2013 16:20:26 GMT -5
Saw The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug today!
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Post by Star on Dec 14, 2013 22:49:50 GMT -5
Just saw The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug. I will post a review in a little bit both here and at Mos Eisley Films. I'll try to keep it as spoiler free as possible.
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Post by Star on Dec 15, 2013 0:30:33 GMT -5
Of course I need to put my review for The Desolation of Smaug here too! I just saw The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug tonight. And let me just say that it was breathtaking. I'm a huge fan of the book, but what Peter Jackson did with the movie worked amazingly. While there were a few things I disliked, the rest of the movie definitely made up for it. First off, the characters and acting. I thought that most of the dwarves got more moments and allowed you to like them more. Kili had these moments especially, which is good, because you'll like his character much more for There and Back Again. More moments that make you appreciate Thorin were in this. Bard was nice, but not as main as I expected. I still thought the way he was portrayed was interesting though. The same was thought for King Thranduil. I was hoping to see more of him, but sadly we didn't. Legolas was a beast (as usual) and the new addition of Tauriel was actually welcoming. Her character was much cooler than I anticipated. And the acting done by Evangeline Lily was great. She was fierce and strong. Beorn was another good character, but unfortunately, he was not in it as much as I would've liked. The Master of Lake-town was an unpleasant and greedy fellow, but a nice touch. And his servant, Alfrid, reminded me all too much of Gríma Wormtongue. Azog was good in this movie. And his son Bolg was very cool looking and a nice new Orc villain to be added. Radagast was a pleasure to have again, although I was disappointed that he wasn't in it as much as AUJ. Gandalf was his usual self. And him seeing him investigate Dol Guldur showed you even more about his personality. The Necromancer was a mysterious figure that was portrayed as powerful. And let's not forget the dragon, Smaug. Smaug is a stunning visual to behold and hearing him talk can give you chills. He is simply magnificent. The music was fabulous (just like all the others) and made each of the moments even better. And the visuals were outstanding! Smaug, Dol Guldur, and Lake-town just to name a few. And the effects were top notch as well, making all the more better. These three things made the movie epic. And now for the scenes and new parts. I'll try not to spoil too much, but still give you an idea of things. Beorn and his whole share of time was pretty cool. But I wished they did more with him. It felt too rushed. Mirkwood was spectacular, but I thought it was kinda rushed up until King Thranduil. I would've preferred maybe an extra 5 mins of Mirkwood before the bigger things happened. The Barrel Escape scene. Breathless. Perhaps the best scene in the movie (and yes, it rivals the Smaug moments even if its untrue to the book). Legolas was a badass along with Tauriel. And Bombur had his moment which was flipping awesome and hilarious! I would re watch the movie just for this escape scene! Lake-town was cool and there were some neat smaller things going on there. Dol Guldur was very intriguing and kept me waiting to see what was really going on. It links some things together in LOTR and the Hobbit. And then there's the Smaug scenes. They were awesome. And even though it was extended and different from the book, it worked perfectly for the movie (don't hate Tolkien purists!). And the inside of The Lonely Mountain takes your breath away! Overall, the film was the best of the year (IMO) and better than AUJ. It had great scenes and new areas and characters explored. The love triangle was an interesting addition, although I wouldn't have minded if it was left out. The main reason I like it was that it made you like Kili more. But there were a few things I didn't like or wish were different. One is that Beorn had a larger role. Instead of having only 15 mins or so, why not have lengthened it to closer to 25 or 30? And in that time had more discussion between him and the dwarves. And of course a small attack with Beorn in bear form would've been fine since it's a movie. I also wished they made the journey to the edge or Mirkwood a tad longer, just to let you know how far away it still was from Beorn's house. I hope that Beorn has more time in the final film. I also would've liked more time in Mirkwood before the elves and Spiders. It felt a little rushed to get to Rhodes moments. And one other thing is maybe more time getting up Erebor or more time with Gandalf in Dol Guldur. But like I said, the film is still a wonderful experience and is great without all these things. So, my final score for The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug would be: 10/10 It was well worth waiting a year for and great even with changes and a few things I would've liked to have been different. And with the cliffhanger ending, I'm pumped to see There and Back Again. It is definitely an outstanding film and I am going to see it at least once more.
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Post by Star on Dec 15, 2013 22:28:12 GMT -5
Ideas for There and Back Again. Potato some if these predictions are also in response to your review. I'm just posting it in the Hobbit thread instead. SOME SPOILERS ABOUT BOOK FOR IDEAS IN HOBBIT 3. I'm super excited to see The White Council in action. And I personally think that we'll see them assembling to rescue Gandalf in the opening scenes first. And as for the intro to There and Back Again, maybe it'll be Radagast warning Galdriel about Dol Guldur. Anyway, I think that this'll be how the film starts. And then, with the White Council marching to Dol Guldur, it'll switch back to Lake-town maybe 15 mins in. It'll show them seeing/hearing Smaug flying towards them. He'll attack. And I think that they may do a lot with this scene not only because its Smaug's last stand, but because the dwarves and Tauriel (Legolas?) have to escape. So perhaps a lot of escape scenes. That'd be neat. And then, of course, Smaug's epic death after attacking Lake-town for awhile. I'm not sure how the switching between scenes will go (maybe it'll switch a lot to allow Smaug to stay alive longer) but a battle at Dol Guldur. Finally, once Gamdalf has escaped, he might run off to Bilbo while Galdriel and others continue fighting. Or they all could retreat together. But then, once everyone is gathered again, there will be some cool politics about the gold in the mountain. This will probably be about 90 mins in (assuming movie is about 3 hours). And then, the long awaited Battle of Five Armies. I really hope they develop Beorn more in this. This'll last for awhile. And then there will be all the stuff with Thorin's death. And to conclude, the return journey home. But there will probably be a lot of other stuff to help full out the rest of the time and bridge it together with LOTR more. One thought I had was when the White Council attacks Dol Guldur, Saruman is fascinated by Sauron and his powers. This would show te beginning of his his fall. PJ also said he'd like to show this too. So that's a brief idea of what I think will be the main story of There and Back Again. I just hope it's an epic conclusion to the Hobbit trilogy and Middle-Earth in general.
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Post by Newan on Dec 16, 2013 0:11:57 GMT -5
Ideas for There and Back Again. Potato some if these predictions are also in response to your review. I'm just posting it in the Hobbit thread instead. SOME SPOILERS ABOUT BOOK FOR IDEAS IN HOBBIT 3. I'm super excited to see The White Council in action. And I personally think that we'll see them assembling to rescue Gandalf in the opening scenes first. And as for the intro to There and Back Again, maybe it'll be Radagast warning Galdriel about Dol Guldur. Anyway, I think that this'll be how the film starts. And then, with the White Council marching to Dol Guldur, it'll switch back to Lake-town maybe 15 mins in. It'll show them seeing/hearing Smaug flying towards them. He'll attack. And I think that they may do a lot with this scene not only because its Smaug's last stand, but because the dwarves and Tauriel (Legolas?) have to escape. So perhaps a lot of escape scenes. That'd be neat. And then, of course, Smaug's epic death after attacking Lake-town for awhile. I'm not sure how the switching between scenes will go (maybe it'll switch a lot to allow Smaug to stay alive longer) but a battle at Dol Guldur. Finally, once Gamdalf has escaped, he might run off to Bilbo while Galdriel and others continue fighting. Or they all could retreat together. But then, once everyone is gathered again, there will be some cool politics about the gold in the mountain. This will probably be about 90 mins in (assuming movie is about 3 hours). And then, the long awaited Battle of Five Armies. I really hope they develop Beorn more in this. This'll last for awhile. And then there will be all the stuff with Thorin's death. And to conclude, the return journey home. But there will probably be a lot of other stuff to help full out the rest of the time and bridge it together with LOTR more. One thought I had was when the White Council attacks Dol Guldur, Saruman is fascinated by Sauron and his powers. This would show te beginning of his his fall. PJ also said he'd like to show this too. So that's a brief idea of what I think will be the main story of There and Back Again. I just hope it's an epic conclusion to the Hobbit trilogy and Middle-Earth in general. Conclusion?? HA HA HA this is only the beginning just wait for the sequels....
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Post by Namialus on Dec 16, 2013 21:06:26 GMT -5
Ideas for There and Back Again. Potato some if these predictions are also in response to your review. I'm just posting it in the Hobbit thread instead. SOME SPOILERS ABOUT BOOK FOR IDEAS IN HOBBIT 3. I'm super excited to see The White Council in action. And I personally think that we'll see them assembling to rescue Gandalf in the opening scenes first. And as for the intro to There and Back Again, maybe it'll be Radagast warning Galdriel about Dol Guldur. Anyway, I think that this'll be how the film starts. And then, with the White Council marching to Dol Guldur, it'll switch back to Lake-town maybe 15 mins in. It'll show them seeing/hearing Smaug flying towards them. He'll attack. And I think that they may do a lot with this scene not only because its Smaug's last stand, but because the dwarves and Tauriel (Legolas?) have to escape. So perhaps a lot of escape scenes. That'd be neat. And then, of course, Smaug's epic death after attacking Lake-town for awhile. I'm not sure how the switching between scenes will go (maybe it'll switch a lot to allow Smaug to stay alive longer) but a battle at Dol Guldur. Finally, once Gamdalf has escaped, he might run off to Bilbo while Galdriel and others continue fighting. Or they all could retreat together. But then, once everyone is gathered again, there will be some cool politics about the gold in the mountain. This will probably be about 90 mins in (assuming movie is about 3 hours). And then, the long awaited Battle of Five Armies. I really hope they develop Beorn more in this. This'll last for awhile. And then there will be all the stuff with Thorin's death. And to conclude, the return journey home. But there will probably be a lot of other stuff to help full out the rest of the time and bridge it together with LOTR more. One thought I had was when the White Council attacks Dol Guldur, Saruman is fascinated by Sauron and his powers. This would show te beginning of his his fall. PJ also said he'd like to show this too. So that's a brief idea of what I think will be the main story of There and Back Again. I just hope it's an epic conclusion to the Hobbit trilogy and Middle-Earth in general. Conclusion?? HA HA HA this is only the beginning just wait for the sequels.... .... Peter Jackson has no right to make sequels. Literally. He literally doesn't have the rights. The Tolkiens aren't selling any more.
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Post by Potato on Dec 16, 2013 21:41:17 GMT -5
He's done making Middle-Earth movies too. He actually originally wasn't going to direct The Hobbit.
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Post by Namialus on Dec 16, 2013 21:44:53 GMT -5
He's done making Middle-Earth movies too. He actually originally wasn't going to direct The Hobbit. That's good. LOTR was great and beautiful and stunning, but he's just gotten rather egotistical with The Hobbit.
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