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Post by Potato on Dec 3, 2013 22:58:35 GMT -5
We might, and there was also an extended scene of Thranduil and the elves meeting with Thror and the dwarves in Erebor in the AUJ Extended Edition. It showed the dwarves being greedy or something like that so it made the elves hate them. But I'm pretty sure Azog and the orcs are going to follow Thorin and company into Mirkwood and then they'll run into the elves like we saw in the trailer. Thranduil will get mad the dwarves led orcs into Mirkwood and it will cause more rivalry. The Lego sets are accurate, which I think they are, then I'm guessing that the Orcs will follow them into Mirkwood. Then they'll fight the elves. They'll probably lose though and head south the Dol Guldur. That or they're summoned. Just some speculation here. And I really want to watch the Extended Edition! I think Azog was actually killed by Thorin outside of Moria but the Necromancer resurrected him so now he has to serve him, which is why he probably backs him up at Dol Guldur. And you can see some of the Extended Edition scenes on Youtube.  I don't own it but I've looked at some of the scenes (there's not a whole lot more anyway). |
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Post by Star on Dec 3, 2013 22:58:35 GMT -5
Oh, and I think Azog might fight Gandalf in DOS (which would make sense because they're shown fighting in the Dol Guldur Battle Lego set). The actor that played Azog said something about that during the premiere of DOS I think. Makes sense. There may possibly be another Azog vs Thorin, but I doubt this will happen. But if Azog doesn't fight Gandalf, then I'm sure he'll fight Radagast.  |
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Post by Star on Dec 3, 2013 23:01:54 GMT -5
The Lego sets are accurate, which I think they are, then I'm guessing that the Orcs will follow them into Mirkwood. Then they'll fight the elves. They'll probably lose though and head south the Dol Guldur. That or they're summoned. Just some speculation here. And I really want to watch the Extended Edition! I think Azog was actually killed by Thorin outside of Moria but the Necromancer resurrected him so now he has to serve him, which is why he probably backs him up at Dol Guldur. And you can see some of the Extended Edition scenes on Youtube. I don't own it but I've looked at some of the scenes (there's not a whole lot more anyway). When is this? Do you mean that is how PJ explains Azog being alive? After Thorin slicing his hand off the Necromancer revives him? That's interesting, and yes, something of Azog and his forces backing up forces there is what I was thinking! I'm getting so excited for the movie just thinking about this! Even though it will be very different from the book, I view the two as different things. The book is a classic, but the movie is a nice, new visual that adds a lot of nice things and is very enjoyable as well. And I watched AUJ twice in theaters. I may see this one three times! Really? I was just going to check that soon. I'm definitely going to watch all of the scenes I can!  |
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Post by Potato on Dec 3, 2013 23:02:32 GMT -5
And then Legolas and probably Tauriel will be in Lake Town at once point too (in The Hobbit production blogs you could see Orlando Bloom running through Lake Town). So much is going to happen in this... I can't believe it's a little shorter than AUJ. I thought it would have been longer.
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Post by Potato on Dec 3, 2013 23:04:07 GMT -5
I think Azog was actually killed by Thorin outside of Moria but the Necromancer resurrected him so now he has to serve him, which is why he probably backs him up at Dol Guldur. And you can see some of the Extended Edition scenes on Youtube. I don't own it but I've looked at some of the scenes (there's not a whole lot more anyway). When is this? Do you mean that is how PJ explains Azog being alive? After Thorin slicing his hand off the Necromancer revives him? That's interesting, and yes, something of Azog and his forces backing up forces there is what I was thinking! I'm getting so excited for the movie just thinking about this! Even though it will be very different from the book, I view the two as different things. The book is a classic, but the movie is a nice, new visual that adds a lot of nice things and is very enjoyable as well. Really? I was just going to check that soon. In definitely going to watch all of the scenes I can! No, that's my guess. It was said the Necromancer could bring people back from the dead and Thorin seemed sure Azog died and it would make sense the Necromancer would revive Azog (Azog not only is the chieftain of the Gundabad orcs, but he also has a personal feud with Thorin, who plans on destroying Smaug. And the Necromancer probably wants to team up with Smaug like Gandalf said in AUJ). |
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Post by Star on Dec 3, 2013 23:04:24 GMT -5
And then Legolas and probably Tauriel will be in Lake Town at once point too (in The Hobbit production blogs you could see Orlando Bloom running through Lake Town). So much is going to happen in this... I can't believe it's a little shorter than AUJ. I thought it would have been longer. I've been meaning to watch those tapes. I haven't gotten around to it yet...  But anyway, assuming they do, I wonder how and why they'll be there? And yeah, I can't believe that either! Maybe there's not as much down time like AUJ? |
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Post by Potato on Dec 3, 2013 23:06:08 GMT -5
And then Legolas and probably Tauriel will be in Lake Town at once point too (in The Hobbit production blogs you could see Orlando Bloom running through Lake Town). So much is going to happen in this... I can't believe it's a little shorter than AUJ. I thought it would have been longer. I've been meaning to watch those tapes. I haven't gotten around to it yet... But anyway, assuming they do, I wonder how and why they'll be there? And yeah, I can't believe that either! Maybe there's not as much down time like AUJ? I think they're tracking the dwarves there or something. And yeah, it's most likely going to be a lot more intense and to-the-point so that's probably why. It'll still be a long movie though. |
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Post by Star on Dec 3, 2013 23:07:03 GMT -5
When is this? Do you mean that is how PJ explains Azog being alive? After Thorin slicing his hand off the Necromancer revives him? That's interesting, and yes, something of Azog and his forces backing up forces there is what I was thinking! I'm getting so excited for the movie just thinking about this! Even though it will be very different from the book, I view the two as different things. The book is a classic, but the movie is a nice, new visual that adds a lot of nice things and is very enjoyable as well. Really? I was just going to check that soon. In definitely going to watch all of the scenes I can! No, that's my guess. It was said the Necromancer could bring people back from the dead and Thorin seemed sure Azog died and it would make sense the Necromancer would revive Azog (Azog not only is the chieftain of the Gundabad orcs, but he also has a personal feud with Thorin, who plans on destroying Smaug. And the Necromancer probably wants to team up with Smaug like Gandalf said in AUJ). Oh. It certainly makes sense though! It could be a major plot twist that no one expected! And in the books' appendices, Azog was meant to die in that war. This would partially correct that change (and definitely make it more intriguing). But we will just have to wait to know for sure. |
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Post by Star on Dec 3, 2013 23:16:34 GMT -5
Plot: The hobbit Bilbo Baggins, along with the wizard Gandalf and the dwarf Thorin Oakenshield and his twelve companions, leave the Carrock after the events of the previous film. They continue east to the edge of the forest of Mirkwood where they encounter the skin-changer Beorn. Gandalf departs before the others enter Mirkwood where they are attacked by giant spiders and, except for Bilbo, are captured by Wood-elves. Bilbo helps the dwarves escape from the elves and they follow the forest river to Lake-town, where they meet the Master of the town, and Bard, a bowman and the descendant of the original Lord of Dale. After acquiring a boat and supplies from the town, the company travels to the Lonely Mountain. They eventually find the hidden door into the mountain and Bilbo enters and encounters the dragon Smaug. In the meantime, Gandalf leads the White Council to drive the Necromancer out of Dol Guldur. Gandalf enters Dol Guldur, where he discovers the true identity of the Necromancer. The elves of Mirkwood, led by King Thranduil and his son, Legolas, must battle the orc invasions from Dol Guldur. It may just be the wording at the end, but it almost sounds like the Orcs will actually retreat to Dol Guldur first to help prepare defenses against the White Council. Actually, this may be more logical. While Azog goes there to recover, this would give the Company time to meet Beorn, and enter Mirkwood while Gandlaf heads south. And then, after the dwarves and Bilbo have been traveling through Mirkwood long enough, somehow Azog and Orcs will be ordered to go attack the wood elves or something. Or they know that the dwarves will pass through the Wood Elves' realm. That would mean that the Dol Guldur Battle would happen before the Mirkwood battle (assuming Azog participates in the Dol Guldur one). If he doesn't though, then both may happen simeutaneouly. Or perhaps the Dol Guldur Battle will have phased to it and only the first involves Azog. That would make sense. I think I've rambled on enough for one post. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 4, 2013 0:45:15 GMT -5
This is how I think it will happen:
Prologue to start off the movie, most likely Dale or Bree. After that, the company continues on as they leave the Misty Mountains and approach Mirkwood. Beorn attacks them in Bear form because he thinks they're trespassers. The company hides in his house and are soon able to reason with him when Beorn finds out that they're enemies of the orcs. Beorn gives them the supplies they need and they move on to Mirkwood. Oh, and Beorn might tell Gandalf about some more stuff involving Dol Guldur because I think Beorn may be there in the movie. Gandalf leaves the company at Mirkwood and departs to Dol Guldur. The orcs, led by Azog, track the company into Mirkwood. They run into the elves, but they're pushed back. King Thranduil soon learns that it was the dwarves that led the orcs into Mirkwood, so he orders the forest to be searched so they can be found. The company's later attacked by spider's, and Bilbo's able to kill a bunch of them with the power of the ring, but the elves soon intervene and capture the dwarves while Bilbo's still invisible with the ring. Thorin and the dwarves are brought before Thranduil and they argue, but the dwarves are soon imprisoned in the wine cellar. Bilbo sneaks in with the ring and escapes with the dwarves in barrels. As they're escaping, the elves pursue them, and the orcs later try to pursue them too (I heard orcs and elves would be in the barrel escape scene). The dwarves and Bilbo soon get away. Legolas and Tauriel argue about following them and helping them so they decide to track them.
Meanwhile in Dol Guldur Gandalf starts investigating the mystery of the Morgul Blade, and he's soon joined by Radagast. They continued to investigate Dol Guldur, and Gandalf might run into an insane Thrain along the way. The Necromancer notices the wizards so he calls out to Azog (or something like that, because I think he resurrected him) for help.
The dwarves wash up onto shore and are found by Bard the Bowman, the descendent of Girion, the Lord of Dale during its fall by Smaug. The dwarves are brought to Lake Town by Bard, and they also meet the Master of Lake Town. I'm not totally sure what will happen at this part, but it definitely looks like Bard's against the dwarves reclaiming Erebor at first (he they'll awaken Smaug and he'll destroy Lake Town). I read somewhere that the Master of Lake Town is greedy, so maybe he tries to get the dwarves to give him a share of the gold or something. Bard will eventually change his mind and make an alliance with the dwarves and sail them off to the desolation of Smaug, which is the ruins of Dale.
Back at Dol Guldur, Azog and his gundabad orcs arrive at Dol Guldur to kill Gandalf and Radagast, who might eventually get joined by Beorn. A battle breaks out, but the Necromancer soon intervenes. Beorn and Radagast might escape, but Gandalf is captured (he's shown cut up and bruised in a cage in one of the trailers).
The dwarves go to the Lonely Mountain and Bilbo prepares to enter it and find the Arkenstone. He's caught off guard by Smaug, who awakens, and attempts to escape but Smaug starts questioning him. When Smaug starts to corner Bilbo, the dwarves run in and attempt to fight off Smaug. They quickly learn that his armor is impenetrable. However, during the fight, Bilbo somehow finds Smaug's weak patch. The dwarves are soon pushed back and forced to retreat by Smaug. He can smell the scent of Lake Town on them, so he assumes that they come from Lake Town. Smaug flies off and prepares to burn Lake Town as the dwarves and Bilbo are trapped in the Lonely Mountain.
If The Desolation of Smaug goes like this, then it would leave plenty for There and Back Again. Gandalf's captured at Dol Guldur, but Radagast will probably inform the White Council of his capture and they'll rescue him in There and Back Again. That will then be when the real battle at Dol Guldur occurs. Azog will be alive to participate in The Battle of the Five Armies to fight Thorin again. Bard might get into trouble for helping the dwarves get to the Lonely Mountain, but he'll redeem himself and reclaim his family's honor by killing Smaug. Smaug's attack on Lake Town could also take place in the first chunk of There and Back Again with an explosive beginning. Plus it would give them another movie to market Smaug with.
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Post by Star on Dec 4, 2013 21:13:04 GMT -5
This is how I think it will happen: Prologue to start off the movie, most likely Dale or Bree. After that, the company continues on as they leave the Misty Mountains and approach Mirkwood. Beorn attacks them in Bear form because he thinks they're trespassers. The company hides in his house and are soon able to reason with him when Beorn finds out that they're enemies of the orcs. Beorn gives them the supplies they need and they move on to Mirkwood. Oh, and Beorn might tell Gandalf about some more stuff involving Dol Guldur because I think Beorn may be there in the movie. Gandalf leaves the company at Mirkwood and departs to Dol Guldur. The orcs, led by Azog, track the company into Mirkwood. They run into the elves, but they're pushed back. King Thranduil soon learns that it was the dwarves that led the orcs into Mirkwood, so he orders the forest to be searched so they can be found. The company's later attacked by spider's, and Bilbo's able to kill a bunch of them with the power of the ring, but the elves soon intervene and capture the dwarves while Bilbo's still invisible with the ring. Thorin and the dwarves are brought before Thranduil and they argue, but the dwarves are soon imprisoned in the wine cellar. Bilbo sneaks in with the ring and escapes with the dwarves in barrels. As they're escaping, the elves pursue them, and the orcs later try to pursue them too (I heard orcs and elves would be in the barrel escape scene). The dwarves and Bilbo soon get away. Legolas and Tauriel argue about following them and helping them so they decide to track them. Meanwhile in Dol Guldur Gandalf starts investigating the mystery of the Morgul Blade, and he's soon joined by Radagast. They continued to investigate Dol Guldur, and Gandalf might run into an insane Thrain along the way. The Necromancer notices the wizards so he calls out to Azog (or something like that, because I think he resurrected him) for help. The dwarves wash up onto shore and are found by Bard the Bowman, the descendent of Girion, the Lord of Dale during its fall by Smaug. The dwarves are brought to Lake Town by Bard, and they also meet the Master of Lake Town. I'm not totally sure what will happen at this part, but it definitely looks like Bard's against the dwarves reclaiming Erebor at first (he they'll awaken Smaug and he'll destroy Lake Town). I read somewhere that the Master of Lake Town is greedy, so maybe he tries to get the dwarves to give him a share of the gold or something. Bard will eventually change his mind and make an alliance with the dwarves and sail them off to the desolation of Smaug, which is the ruins of Dale. Back at Dol Guldur, Azog and his gundabad orcs arrive at Dol Guldur to kill Gandalf and Radagast, who might eventually get joined by Beorn. A battle breaks out, but the Necromancer soon intervenes. Beorn and Radagast might escape, but Gandalf is captured (he's shown cut up and bruised in a cage in one of the trailers). The dwarves go to the Lonely Mountain and Bilbo prepares to enter it and find the Arkenstone. He's caught off guard by Smaug, who awakens, and attempts to escape but Smaug starts questioning him. When Smaug starts to corner Bilbo, the dwarves run in and attempt to fight off Smaug. They quickly learn that his armor is impenetrable. However, during the fight, Bilbo somehow finds Smaug's weak patch. The dwarves are soon pushed back and forced to retreat by Smaug. He can smell the scent of Lake Town on them, so he assumes that they come from Lake Town. Smaug flies off and prepares to burn Lake Town as the dwarves and Bilbo are trapped in the Lonely Mountain. If The Desolation of Smaug goes like this, then it would leave plenty for There and Back Again. Gandalf's captured at Dol Guldur, but Radagast will probably inform the White Council of his capture and they'll rescue him in There and Back Again. That will then be when the real battle at Dol Guldur occurs. Azog will be alive to participate in The Battle of the Five Armies to fight Thorin again. Bard might get into trouble for helping the dwarves get to the Lonely Mountain, but he'll redeem himself and reclaim his family's honor by killing Smaug. Smaug's attack on Lake Town could also take place in the first chunk of There and Back Again with an explosive beginning. Plus it would give them another movie to market Smaug with. This sounds very good, Potato, and I wouldn't be surprised if the film was almost like this. I pretty much agree too. But some other thoughts I have that could be alternate timings or how some things play out would be these: 1. Maybe Gandalf is captured by an ambush with just him and Radagast. Then Radagast has to get help. This may happen instead of a battle (not main one though). 2. The opening Sequence is Golbin Town caves with Gollum and One Ring as a dream (kind of like how TTT starts). Or something at Bree makes sense. 3. I think the Dale being decimated will be a flashback with Bard to make you appreciate his character more and feel for him. 4. What you said about the Orcs tracking the dwarves into Mirkwood and then later being summoned to Dol Guldur makes sense, but I also considered that they could possibly go to Dol Guldur first, possibly having captured Gandalf and thinking all is well. Then somehow decides to go to fight the elves and all that. This may be true but I'm not so sure how it would work out overall. Just another thought. 5. According to Lego, it looks like Bard supports the quest and the Master of Lake-town doesn't. What I think is that Bard won't agree at first but eventually will. And yeas, I heard the Master of Lake-town is supposed to be greedy, and your thoery makes sense, but if Lego is accurate he won't want the quest to continue. Maybe he'll think that Smaug will destroy his rule. I'm not trying to disprove, I actually like you idea better for the most part. These are just some of the alternate ideas that I had. And yes, I agree with the ending and I think that there will be an intense start to There and Back Again like you said. It will certainly be interesting. Perhaps a Smaug death 1/3 or 1/4 into the movie. Cause I'm sure they won't want to kill Smaug until at least 35 mins into the movie. I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 6, 2013 15:09:12 GMT -5
This makes me a very happy Hobbit!  |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 6, 2013 15:16:08 GMT -5
This makes me a very happy Hobbit! That looks like a nice edition. I haven't ever seen it.  |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 6, 2013 16:30:12 GMT -5
This makes me a very happy Hobbit! That looks like a nice edition. I haven't ever seen it. It's a very fine edition if i must say. But i can understand you've never seen it. There are like a hundred different editions out there. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 6, 2013 23:42:11 GMT -5
I just found out that the prologue to DOS will be the Bree scene with Thorin and Gandalf like I mentioned before. I also heard that the film apparently ends with (highlight to show it):
Smaug flying off towards Lake Town. So it's a cliffhanger, and we all guessed it right!
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 7, 2013 5:51:22 GMT -5
I'm at Chapter Four now: "Over And Under Hill"
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Post by Star on Dec 7, 2013 9:50:32 GMT -5
I'm at Chapter Four now: "Over And Under Hill" Even though I've already read the book, I'm rereadinf it right now. I'm at Chapter Six: "Out of the Fire Into the Frying Pan". You're goin g to love the chapter after the one you're on Ivar. But then again, it's all good. |
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Post by Star on Dec 7, 2013 9:51:19 GMT -5
I just found out that the prologue to DOS will be the Bree scene with Thorin and Gandalf like I mentioned before. I also heard that the film apparently ends with (highlight to show it): Smaug flying off towards Lake Town. So it's a cliffhanger, and we all guessed it right!Where did you learn this? Peter Jackson himself? |
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Post by Potato on Dec 7, 2013 11:40:10 GMT -5
I just found out that the prologue to DOS will be the Bree scene with Thorin and Gandalf like I mentioned before. I also heard that the film apparently ends with (highlight to show it): Smaug flying off towards Lake Town. So it's a cliffhanger, and we all guessed it right!Where did you learn this? Peter Jackson himself? The movie's already premiered in some areas. |
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Post by Star on Dec 7, 2013 13:07:11 GMT -5
Where did you learn this? Peter Jackson himself? The movie's already premiered in some areas. Oh yeah... |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 13:09:51 GMT -5
Where did you learn this? Peter Jackson himself? The movie's already premiered in some areas. It will open here this Thursday. |
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Post by Star on Dec 8, 2013 13:18:08 GMT -5
The movie's already premiered in some areas. It will open here this Thursday. Are you going to see it opening day/night? |
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Post by Star on Dec 8, 2013 14:41:53 GMT -5
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Post by Star on Dec 8, 2013 14:44:13 GMT -5
I just found out that the prologue to DOS will be the Bree scene with Thorin and Gandalf like I mentioned before. I also heard that the film apparently ends with (highlight to show it): Smaug flying off towards Lake Town. So it's a cliffhanger, and we all guessed it right!I just realized that on the Wikipedia page for the movie, it mentions the bartender of The Prancing Pony in the cast, so we could've assumed that there'd be a Bree scene. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 14:46:02 GMT -5
It will open here this Thursday. Are you going to see it opening day/night? I intended to do that at first. But then me and friends decided to go as a group to an IMAX screening one day. |
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Post by Potato on Dec 8, 2013 14:47:05 GMT -5
There's been been quite a few reviews so far, and almost all of them are calling it really good and better than AUJ (and I really liked AUJ ). |
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Post by Namialus on Dec 8, 2013 14:47:39 GMT -5
I was hoping for no love triangle.. damn. |
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Post by Star on Dec 8, 2013 14:53:02 GMT -5
I was hoping for no love triangle.. damn. Yeah same, but it sounded like the guy said it wasn't too big or bad. So hopefully it's just a small thing for character development. It's going to e really weird seeing Legolas and Kili actually like someone though. Kili just doesn't seem right too me (although in the book, didn't it say he liked an elf?) and Legolas, it just seems wrong. |
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Post by Star on Dec 8, 2013 14:55:12 GMT -5
Are you going to see it opening day/night? I intended to do that at first. But then me and friends decided to go as a group to an IMAX screening one day. Cool, and I'm doing the same thing. I'm seeing it with a few friends of mine. |
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Post by Ivar-Jedi on Dec 8, 2013 15:27:14 GMT -5
I was hoping for no love triangle.. damn. Yeah same, but it sounded like the guy said it wasn't too big or bad. So hopefully it's just a small thing for character development. It's going to e really weird seeing Legolas and Kili actually like someone though. Kili just doesn't seem right too me (although in the book, didn't it say he liked an elf?) and Legolas, it just seems wrong. Kili thinks Elves don't look all that bad. There is a scene in "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Extended Edition" making that very clear. |
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I don't own it but I've looked at some of the scenes (there's not a whole lot more anyway).
But anyway, assuming they do, I wonder how and why they'll be there? And yeah, I can't believe that either! Maybe there's not as much down time like AUJ?
