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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 17, 2019 15:33:31 GMT -5
Well this week's a bit interesting. First, we have a three-parter that started out pretty fun but then certainly wasn't... And then we have an episode that a lot of people hated at the time but maybe aged a bit better. Or did it? We'll see.
January 18th - 24th 2019
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Post by Newan on Jan 17, 2019 20:07:00 GMT -5
Above average/ good episodes.
Still need to finish last week though. Picked up some extra shifts this past week
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Post by Star on Jan 17, 2019 20:35:39 GMT -5
I really enjoy the Zygerria arc. I don't think it gets the credit it deserves, and that's probably because it was lost in the shuffle of the Umbara, Rako Hardeen, and Maul episodes.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 18, 2019 10:56:06 GMT -5
I think we probably overhated the last one of these. Probably bc we kinda presumed what it was setting up and it was something no one wanted.
On its own terms and knowing we were wrong, it’s not bad.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 18, 2019 10:57:54 GMT -5
And before I rewatch Zygerria, I have to say I remember every episode getting better.
I’ll proabably watch it today after my ONE DAY week of school.
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Post by Star on Jan 18, 2019 15:57:15 GMT -5
I think we probably overhated the last one of these. Probably bc we kinda presumed what it was setting up and it was something no one wanted. On its own terms and knowing we were wrong, it’s not bad. Are you referring to A Friend in Need or Escape from Kadavo?
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 18, 2019 16:03:36 GMT -5
I think we probably overhated the last one of these. Probably bc we kinda presumed what it was setting up and it was something no one wanted. On its own terms and knowing we were wrong, it’s not bad. Are you referring to A Friend in Need or Escape from Kadavo? First one.
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Post by Kenbo on Jan 18, 2019 16:12:52 GMT -5
Really like the slave arc
Not gonna watch it though lol
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 18, 2019 16:26:30 GMT -5
Really like the slave arc Not gonna watch it though lol
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 21, 2019 20:05:35 GMT -5
Ok watched the Zygerria Arc.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 21, 2019 20:24:09 GMT -5
Kidnapped is a fun episode. There's a story but it never feels dragged down. It's a nice break up between the last four episodes and the next two. Up until the ending, things seem to go right for the heroes which hasn't happened in a while. You are just kinda waiting for something to go wrong until it comes at the end when they realize they are back where they started. Darts D'Nar is a good villain. It's not difficult to see how he ended up on a lot of favorites list. The episode was also a breath of fresh air as we finally got some Obi-Wan. Season 4B is pretty Obi-Wan heavy, but it had been a while since "Citadel Rescue" when we last really saw him. I like as well the sense of darkness when it comes to Anakin in this one. It's rare to see him go so off the rails, especially in front of Ahsoka. So that last scene is pretty cool to see. Not much else to say. Fun episode but also kinda just a breather. 7/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 21, 2019 20:28:13 GMT -5
Oh, and stolen Separatist (aligned) Shuttle Count... 6
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 21, 2019 21:01:06 GMT -5
Slaves of the Republic is quite a good episode. I was surprised by just how willing the show was to be honest about slavery and the cruelty of it. The two scenes that I always remember from this episode are 1. when the slave girl kills herself while Anakin is forced to let it happen and 2. When Keeper Arguss casually kills an entire row of slaves just to make a point to Obi-Wan. These are two of the darkest moments in the show, which is saying a lot. I remember thinking that despite the subject material, this arc would be way lighter than the last. This episode proved me to be way wrong, since all this terrible Potato Rules is happening to civilians, not soldiers. The way the plot runs, Murphy's Law is even more controlling than it is in "Counterattack." This makes the episode so unpredictable, from Obi-Wan being captured to him being recognized to the whole fiasco at the end. I love how it paid homage to ROTJ while going in a completely different direction. The ending to this episode is strangely long, which is a bit odd for a Clone Wars episode but I think that's a good thing. Many episodes end super abruptly so I like how this one takes its time and is sure to set up the right mood going forward. Some of the interactions between Anakin and the Queen are a bit awkwardly done but Anakin feels the same way as the audience so I can forgive that. I really like this episode. 8.5/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 21, 2019 21:11:18 GMT -5
Escape from Kadavo wraps things up nicely even though it's the most predictable of the arc. There are a few things here that we see a few too many times. This is the third damn time Plo Koon stages a last-minute rescue and this is the second of three Anakin vs Dooku face-offs in Season 4. But it still works. The Obi-Wan episodes are still suitably dark. And the montage of the Queen's wishes for Obi-Wan is something pretty stylistically different from anything we've seen but I like it. The main event really is the ending battle/rescue. It's pretty cool to see and satisfying as well. We get to see Anakin remorselessly kill organics, something that's pretty rare. It's kind of quick but it looks like he decapitates one in the turret. I like when Rex kills Arguss but it does raise a question on how he could so easily do it here but not against Krell. Maybe Arguss is objectively more evil than Krell, but in Rex's mind, he should hate Krell more. I don't know, I feel like Rex sometimes bounces between two different characters. When it's a clone-centric episode, he often feels softer but when he's just "the clone" in the episode he is more Captain Fordo. Maybe that's just my take. Anyway, the episode is nicely done but I have to say it can be a little too frantic in parts due to some less than ideal pacing but overall it works as the end of the arc. 8/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 25, 2019 16:31:44 GMT -5
Okay it’s pretty distracting at the beginning of AFIN since it’s clearly just Cat Taber talking to herself.
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Post by Star on Jan 25, 2019 17:02:49 GMT -5
It's not very complex with its story, but I enjoy Kidnapped. One of my only issues with the episode is how easy it seemed to be to disable all the bombs throughout the city, especially with simply slashing them. Also, it would've been nice to give Ahsoka a little more to do, since these were her people. Other than that though, it's a good breather as Spider put it.
I like that there's a good mix of the 501st and 212th here, and the shout out to Boil was nice. I know TCW doesn't really reference previous arcs much, but a nod to Waxer or even the events on Umbara would've been nice in this episode. Anakin's past is incorporated very well within this episode, especially since his anger toward the Zygerrians feels natural in how he displays it. While a bit strange that he hasn't talked much about his past to Ahsoka given their time together, I think it probably fits Anakin's character. Also at the end of the episode, I like how Ahsoka had to calm him down. Unlike in the prequels, we get to see Anakin handle his explosive emotions much more effectively and realistically here.
Obi-Wan is very fun to watch throughout this episode. His reaction to Anakin having to handle the slave issue was well-done, but the highlight was definitely his banter and brawl with Darts D'Nar. Even though he isn't a prominent character, this episode really makes D'Nar an interesting character to watch, and I personally like him and his interactions with Obi-Wan a lot.
A pretty solid episode that sets up a very good arc. 8/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 25, 2019 21:51:17 GMT -5
One thing that bugs me with Kidnapped is that Boil rides a 501st walker. Like shouldn't the 212th have their own?
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Post by Spidyyr on Jan 26, 2019 11:45:52 GMT -5
Put this off long enough. Well, here we go. It's almost impossible to talk about A Friend in Need without discussing the backlash it caused on starwars.com. I remember Firebird saying it transformed Ahsoka into a "Disney Princess with Lightsabers." This was a phrase that stuck on the guides and also some pretty weird foreshadowing for the Disney buyout later that year. People spammed the guide for this episode, voicing their disdain for it. I was among those people. Seven years later, I don't think the hatred for this episodes had much to do with what happened in it but was due to what many people thought it was setting up. Many people believed that Ahsoka's exit would be due to her love for Lux. And then they'd go run off together and have a cheesy stupid ending. Looking back, it is easy to see where this presumption was coming from. The episodes does (rather ineffectively) try to make us want Ahsoka and Lux together, with lots of long awkward glances and that infamous non-con kiss. The episode led to things like this: But then it also led to things like this, which really really reinforced our position: I know now this didn't go anywhere. And I don't think they really planned to make that happen. And I warmed to Lux during the Onderon Arc, where I think he was written a lot better. If I ignore all of that, look at this episode with any prejudice, then it's... fine. Yeah, I admit I expected to watch this episode and think man this is underrated. And considering how hated it was, it definitely deserves more credit than it gets. But that doesn't really mean it's great either. There are some pacing problems. I think the high points are the beginning and the end. The escape on Mandalore is quite cool, and the ending is truly something to behold. The middle section is just okay. We don't actually meet the Death Watch until we're a third into the episode. And once we're there nothing happens for a while. Yes, seeing Vizsla again is nice and I'm glad we saw the Death Watch camp but it just doesn't leave all that much of an impact. It's just kind of boring for a while and then BAM, we're at the end. This is probably the best part of the episode but it's not perfect either. I like R2's contribution. This episode had an uncharacteristically good usage of R2. And Ahsoka is incredible here. Her all-time best. This episode solidifies her growth and her readiness to be a Knight. Tryla's death should be shocking and disturbing. But we really don't know her at all. I looked at the timer and we met her TWO MINUTES before she died. Two minutes. We could've had Ahsoka spend more time here or develop a real friendship. Maybe she could even promise her she'll get out of there soon but NOPE. We learn who she is and then she's dead. Great. And yes, I'm gonna say it, Cat Taber's voice just takes me out of it. Same as DBB, it's impossible not to hear her main character through everyone else she voices. Are there really no other voice actresses? Maybe someone who actually sounds like a teenager? She's fine as Padme but they have to stop using her for so many minor female characters. JAT can pull it off. Lanter can pull it off. Corey Burton and Stephen Stanton can REALLY pull it off. Her and DBB always sound the same. The scene itself is one of the darkest things on the show but it doesn't feel set up right. We never are led to think Vizsla isn't that bad. Maybe they could've shown us where Lux is coming from. Lux is just too gullible to be likable. I feel like he would see Sauron and say "Yeah, he seems like a reasonable guy. He just wants his favorite ring back." So back to it, Lux is not done well here. When Lux says Ahsoka and himself make a good team, it feels unearned because he barely did anything except almost get her killed. This episode does not make us care about him. All of his dialogue is Lee-Char levels of cringe and at the end, he's still just as pretentious as before. That hasn't changed on repeat viewings. He's still a little twerp and not a very well realized character. This episode is not nearly as bad as many make it out to be but it's not all that great either. There are definite highlights but due to strange pacing, they don't come together all that well. It's cool to see Death Watch again but I wish it could've come in a better episode. This episode does Lux no favors. From beginning to end, he comes off like a brat. And the Wrath of Khan moment in the end, therefore, feels more cheesy than anything else. This episode tried to do a lot of things but most of them don't work. With all that, I give the episode a 5/10. Just okay.
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Post by Star on Feb 10, 2019 23:36:56 GMT -5
We get to see a pretty dark but interesting side of Star Wars in Slaves of the Republic. There’s so much I love about this episode ranging from the setting and characters to action scenes and themes. Although it’s brief, the slave auction scene is a lot of fun. The homage to ROTJ is great, and seeing the failed outcome makes it more enjoyable.
Anakin’s interactions with the Queen are a bit overdone at times, but I suppose that was his plan. It doesn’t take away my enjoyment, it’s just a bit cringe at times. The whole concept of Anakin playing a slave owner always was pretty cool I thought.
Another unique aspect of this episode is the prolonged ending. It works very well, especially since it gives us a good sense of where things are headed and how bleak they look. This episode was very mature despite what Kidnapped may have suggested the tone of the Zygerria arc would be.
Overall, I don’t have many complaints about this episode. I wish we got more time to see the city and whatnot before the slave auction, but I don’t mind that being replaced with a longer ending instead. I think this episode’s story is very strong, but there aren’t enough wow moments to quite catapult it into the top tier for me. However, I still really enjoy it, so I’m giving it 8.5/10.
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Post by Star on Feb 10, 2019 23:50:17 GMT -5
Escape from Kadavo is kind of tricky to place. I really enjoy the first half, but the second feels a little uninspired. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still super cool to see them mount a rescue mission to Kadavo, but it almost feels a little too similar to some other rescues we’ve seen in the show. Besides that odd shift halfway through though, this episode is still a lot of fun. Dooku getting involved is cool, and I love his encounter with Anakin in this one. Something about that throne room setting and the music that plays give it such an awesome vibe for me. Seeing Dooku’s clear power over the Queen, despite her denying it, made for some good moments as well. The choice of showing a montage with Obi-Wan was neat. It’s not something I’d want every episode, but I liked its usage here. All the scenes involving Obi-Wan in the slave camp felt appropriately dark. Keeper Argruss is pretty fun to watch fly around in his chair, too. Another thing I love about this arc is how they made the Zygerrians all have unique characteristics. Even though they all weren’t around much, I liked all of them. This conclusion does what it needs to do, but I wish it had been a little more ambitious like Slaves of the Republic. It’s equally entertaining, but I would’ve liked for it to deliver just a little more. 8.5/10.
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Post by Star on Feb 11, 2019 9:38:53 GMT -5
I forgot how incredibly average A Friend in Need is. The final third is the main section of the episode that was advertised on TV, and also the portion that stuck in my mind since the last time I watched it. However, everything up until then isn't that exciting. The beginning conference on Mandalore is tolerable, but if not for Dooku's brief inclusion, it wouldn't have my interest. Also, it seems like an odd move for the droids to engage with the conference guards... I feel like that would be an awful political move for the Separatists.
Lux and Ahsoka showed some potential as a cool duo from their first encounter in S3, but this episode does nothing to make me like that idea more. Ahsoka is mostly fine with what she says, but Lux is painful to watch. I think Spider got it right in comparing his dialogue as the same level of Lee Char. By this point in the series, I did not like his character.
Everything that happens leading into the final third of the episode is decent. The return of Death Watch is cool, especially the change in Vizsla's appearance. The villagers concept is pretty unoriginal, but what bothers me more is how that plot isn't developed enough to grab my interest or care when their town is burned down. Visually, that sequence is very neat, but it could've packed a better emotional punch. From there on, I enjoy Ahsoka's famous quadruple decapitation, the droid revolt, Ahsoka's duel with Vizsla, and the landspeeder chase. However, as cool as those moments were, it doesn't mask that this episode just isn't that great.
It's great to see Death Watch, some nice visuals, and an episode that proves yet again how much Ahsoka has grown as a character. Besides that though, this episode isn't the most interesting. 6/10 for me.
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Post by Newan on Nov 20, 2019 13:00:56 GMT -5
Ok so I watched a Friend in Need first here, just cause I wanted to watch one more episode and not a full arc after finishing Umbara. But I think I liked A Friend in Need a bit more than I remembered. Lux is still kind of annoying but his plan and motivations weren’t terrible. It was nice to see Vizsla for the first time since season 2, he left such a strong impression in his fight vs Obi-Wan and then completely vanished for 2 seasons. I also really liked the visuals of Carlac, it’s not your traditional completely iced over snow planet.
The R2 droid rebellion side plot made their escape in such a dangerous situation more believable although I found Vizslas methods of dealing with the villagers to be overly extreme and violent. There’s really no reason for death watch to be hunkering down on that planet in the first place and true Mandalorians should honestly have more honor than that. Seeing a female Mandalorian was neat though, good introduction to Bo-Katan.
I remember thinking this episode felt out of place at the time but it ties into season 5 nicely and helps refresh our memory and bridge the gaps. Anyways the last standalone this show received gets a 7/10 from me. I overall enjoyed it despite its few problems.
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Post by Newan on Nov 21, 2019 10:01:22 GMT -5
Kidnapped is actually better than I remember. This is an arc I very rarely rewatch though. First thing is that the arc starts differently, instead of seeing the heroes we see Dooku and the main purpose of the arc being the colonists. It’s nice to see Dooku again although at first it’s questionable as to why he’s personally involved but I guess Yoda at the end makes it rather clear.
While I care very little for the colonists themselves seeing the town kind of reminded me of Ryloth in a way. The new sidecar speeder bikes and the sniper droids are both interesting but I don’t think we ever see either again after this arc. Darts is also a rather interesting villain then the force users or seppie politicians that we are used to seeing. But the best part of this episode imo is Anakin going full dark side at times which really I think this is the episode that kind of sets him off cause we see him going pretty dark more often following this arc.
Anyways it’s actually better than I expected and there’s just a lot of cool new stuff and some decent background stuff as well like the creatures. Oh and the Zygerians as a people are one of the more interesting and complex species we see even after just one episode, Darts does a good job at demonstrating that. 8/10 is what I’ll give this one.
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Post by Newan on Nov 21, 2019 10:02:01 GMT -5
Side note but I’m surprised the Zygerians never tried getting in contact with Maul or vice versa.... they just kind of get written out after this arc.
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Post by Newan on Nov 21, 2019 11:55:57 GMT -5
Slaves of the Republic isn’t as great as Kidnapped IMO but it explores the darker aspects of the galaxy and I was also surprised at how far the show took it at times. I did really like Anakin in this episode, this is one of the best arcs for him in the entire show up there with Mortis and Utapau IMO even if the later was unfinished.
There was a lot of cameos and references in this episode as well, guess the separatists were really taking to the idea of slavery as we saw quite a few of their leaders here.
I thought some of the plot was a bit shaky though, Anakin seems to gain the Queens trust too easily and I really just don’t understand the Queen keeping him around after the arena fight, especially giving him his saber back. I wish the arena fight was longer though and that Anakin himself inflicted more damage but it was still pretty cool to watch.
I’m gonna give this episode a 7/10, I enjoy it and it could definitely be an 8 but the plot flows together a little too easily that something about it is unsettling to me.
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Post by Newan on Nov 21, 2019 12:26:13 GMT -5
I have mixed feeling on Escape from Kadavo. Sidious seems weird in this episode, he needs Anakin for his plan yet he basically tells Dooku to execute him? Idk I always bring this up with any prequel content but Sidious just has too much control when so much of his plans are based on chance it seems. I don’t really care for much of the first half of these episode, nobody really cares for the Queen and we knew Anakin wasn’t going to accept her deal so there’s no tension there. While seeing Dooku is nice he also seems somewhat pointless here and just acts as a stand in bad guy.
The second half of the episode is much better and while it is once again Plo doing the rescue job I think he’s better used here than most of his rescue missions, we get to see the legendary pilot skills of Plo on display and I enjoy seeing the Wolf Pack, they got a cool armor design. Best part of the episode is Kenobi surprisingly allowing Rex to murder the overseer, it does seem a tad out of character for both Rex and Kenobi alike though. Side note but Rex has seen a lot of unique action and events for a clone trooper....
Anyways think I’m gonna just barley give this one a 8/10 but it’s basically the reverse of the last one where this could easily be a 7 since there are some problems here. Overall the arc is fairly enjoyable and much better filler arc than the filler stuff in season 5.
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Post by Newan on Nov 21, 2019 12:28:08 GMT -5
23/30 or 76.6%.
Think I’ll just watch the rest of the rewatch mostly in order now of what I got left.
- Deception - Revenge arc - Might throw in The Disappeared here after season 4 finale - Clovis arc - Maul arc - Ahsoka arc - Order 66/ Fives - Yoda arc
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