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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 1, 2018 17:52:53 GMT -5
These episodes... does anyone remember these episodes? And if you do, do you kinda wish you didn't? Okay, forget ARC Troopers. That one's great. But also it came out a month before the rest of these. Have you ever rewatched these episodes? Are you going to now? Or are you just gonna write a rating down and know no one will care? Remember what was before the episodes? What was after? Did you even care about any of it? Or did you start to think maybe this show was past its prime? Did you wonder, in 2010, if the show was gonna canceled? Or more importantly, if it deserved to be? If it just ended after 2010, after spending so many episodes focused on the least exciting parts of Mandalore and Coruscant, would you even have cared? Would anyone? Did any of it matter at all?
November 2nd - 8th 2018
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Post by Star on Nov 1, 2018 18:41:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't really remember anything about the first 3 episodes... same with a couple others from early S3, like Sphere of Influence.
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Post by Newan on Nov 1, 2018 22:14:09 GMT -5
Oh Sphere of Influence isn’t in this batch, that’s actually a good episode imo. As was Supply Lines.
Assassin is ok cause of Aurra, Arc Troopers is decent. But I remember every episode quite well, I remember every episode of Rebels too despite only watching many once.
Next week is the Senate Hostage arc right?
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Post by Newan on Nov 1, 2018 22:49:31 GMT -5
Just watched Corruption, it’s ok, it’s decent to see the inner workings of planet politics I guess, we won’t really see that on Coruscant and Naboo really.
But just thinking characters like Satine and Padme must take up so much budget... their hair and outfits changed like 3 or 4 times throughout this episode. And I still kinda hate Satine, what a hypocrite.
Anyways I’d give this a 6/10.
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Post by Newan on Nov 2, 2018 12:43:55 GMT -5
Only time Alderaan is in the show although the image is from the end of ROTS.
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 2, 2018 17:47:40 GMT -5
I thought the Mandalore stuff was 3 episodes for some reason. Guess it's a good thing it's not
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 3, 2018 22:59:37 GMT -5
Hope I can catch up on these soon. College is annoying.
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Post by Star on Nov 5, 2018 21:02:10 GMT -5
Corruption is pretty bad... In theory the episode is interesting, since we witness how Mandalore operates, but the way it plays out is not good. A good portion of the dialogue is weak and Satine is probably at her worst here. One moment she's preaching neutrality and peace, but the next she's ready to use force to get information from the superintendent. Wanting to burn the warehouse didn't make sense either, given that it was evidence. Also, why would school be in session if they know there's something in there poisoning people? Seems kind of weird.
The villains evoke an Egyptian vibe with their clothes and scaly appearance. It's neat to see a group that's not pure evil, but rather just looking to save money out of greed. I thought it was a little crazy how almost all the officials relevant were corrupt (a word this episode included far too many times).
Seeing more of Mandalore was nice, same with Padme not being captured. That fight at the end was strange though, like if those smugglers won, they would've killed the duchess, a senator, and other important figures. I don't see how that would help their business. Another thing was that a few of the characters clearly sounded like clones or Yularen even though they were Mandalorian, which was kind of distracting.
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Post by Star on Nov 5, 2018 21:11:33 GMT -5
Unfortunately, The Academy isn't an improvement. I think a really interesting twist would have been to make Satine a traitor, even though that would deprive us of her emotional death with Obi-Wan later on. Anyways, it was somewhat obvious Almec was a traitor in this episode, especially since he gave off a weird vibe in Corruption. It's also strange seeing Ahsoka teach cadets about her age, especially on topics I feel like they are old enough to already know.
The cadets weren't annoying, I mainly just found them boring. It was nice to see Ahsoka interact with "peers", but this episode didn't do too much to improve her character. The resolution was also really easy, making it seem like there was no serious threat the whole time. Getting a look at the prison was cool though.
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Post by Star on Nov 5, 2018 21:13:45 GMT -5
I appreciate what the episodes try to accomplish, but it doesn't come across well. There's a couple nice moments, but on the whole they're definitely some of my least favorite of the rewatch so far. I give them both 4/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 6, 2018 17:17:17 GMT -5
Finally done with some pretty intense shit at school. Reviews incoming.
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Post by Star on Nov 8, 2018 15:46:45 GMT -5
Asassin was pretty cool, but the tension is undercut by two main things for me. Firstly, having it revolve around Padme sucks, since we know she has to live. Plus this adds yet again to the whole trope of her life always being threatened. What about the other senators? Surely Filoni could create some new ones for us or develop existing ones like they did with the Jedi. The other issue is that since it's Padme that Ahsoka is protecting, she trusts her so easily. I think it would've been more interesting to see Ahsoka's skills be doubted by another senator instead.
The rest of the episode is fun, and it's good to see Padme take care of herself at the very end. This was a nice way to use Aurra also, since it showcased again how dangerous she is. No other real complaints, it's a pretty average episode for me. 6.5/10.
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Post by Star on Nov 8, 2018 18:52:21 GMT -5
The pacing for ARC Troopers is good, given it covers so much. This is probably the second best battle episode of the show so far after LAPR, and Grievous and Ventress both feel like solid threats. I really enjoy the setting of Kamino, and it's kind of interesting how it wasn't raining most of the time. That was probably to make animation less of a hassle, but not a big deal, since it's mostly indoors anyways.
99's death is fitting, but it seemed a bit reckless for him to want to sprint down a hallway where all the droids were shooting. His reaction to Hevy's death was also a good touch. It's a bit odd though that Shaak Ti is still on Kamino after all the time that passed since Clone Cadets.
Even though this is a very good episode and it's unique in some ways, I feel like parts of it play out a little too obviously. I'm not sure how to put it, maybe I'm just in a weird mood right now, yet while this episode has a lot of good elements, something about it feels like it's missing. I guess it's also possible that while I enjoyed the episode, it's not quite as "epic" as I remembered years ago, and that's why something feels different. Regardless, I still liked this episode very much. 8/10 for me.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 10, 2018 23:37:33 GMT -5
Watched the first three episodes of this. The music and the visuals were my favorite parts. Yeah.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 10, 2018 23:46:00 GMT -5
Corruption is fine. I really didn't like it when I first saw it but now I really don't have strong feelings either way. It's definitely something different and I don't mind a slow story, but it doesn't do it exceptionally well. And some of Satine's dialogue was bad. She kinda just annoyed me in this one. Like the captain fucking took a bullet storming the warehouse and now you're threatening to falsely testify against him unless he destroys evidence? What the hell? But I did like seeing more of Mandalore and the opening especially looked good. That's about all I have to say. Good concept, meh execution. A 5 is average so I'll give it a 5/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 10, 2018 23:54:38 GMT -5
The Academy is more of the same. Nothing pissed me off but nothing wowed me. I liked Ahsoka fighting hand to hand but I mean that was over pretty quick anyway. I don't remember if I called it being Almec when I was 11 but it's obvious since there's not really anyone else it could be and you can even hear his voice. (I paused it to see that his whole face is actually visible for a split second) They did have Korkie start to lose faith in Satine but they never started to hint she could be corrupt, which would have been an interesting thought. I found it kinda weird that they all just started blabbing about what they saw in class. Like sure they trusted Ahsoka but did they want all of their mute classmates to hear too? I don't know. Almec's turn too is a bit weird. We've known him longer than Vizsla or Marek, so seeing him immediately resort to torture feels unearned. It also would have been more interesting to see him be more three dimensional and have actual reasons for doing what he did beyond the bullshit about humanitarianism. I don't know. One more thing, Ahsoka's theme shows up here for the third time in the series here. I think it's kinda random considering this isn't much of an emotional episode for her compared to "Storm over Ryloth" but it still beats its awkward cameo in "Landing at Point Rain." 5/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 11, 2018 0:03:43 GMT -5
Assassin is another slow one but better than the last two, plus better use of Ahsoka's theme. I did appreciate how it seemed to have subtle continuity from the last one as it looks like the council is congratulating her for Mandalore. One thing that kinda bug me is how repetitive it is. We've already seen a dangerous bounty come after Padme. We've already seen someone have dreams about Padme dying. Although its weird that Yoda seemed to encourage Ahsoka here but then tell Anakin to let go of Padme. The thought came to mind that seeing Ahsoka's visions proved right but seeing her eventually defeat them may have inspired Anakin to go as far as he did in ROTS. Also it was cool to see people with Leia hair and to hear her theme. Alderaan was cool to see and they did a good job in making it feel really peaceful. One more thing that annoys me is how this episode takes place before Hostage Crisis. I know it has to because of Ziro but it takes a lot of the punch out of defeating Aurra if we know she escapes quickly, especially since this is the last time we saw her in release order. But enough complaining. This episode's a pretty good improvement even if it still doesn't shoot that high. 6/10.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 11, 2018 0:09:57 GMT -5
More thoughts: -Watching in chronological order, it's a little weird to see Mandalore again just episodes after we left. It also makes the break where we really don't see Satine even more noticeable. -Also, if you include Jango Fett's helmet, this is the third arc in a row to feature Mandalorian armor. -Okay was it just me, or was Padme really handsy with Ahsoka? Like I thought she seemed dtf. No? No one else thought that? I swear they were gonna kiss if Typho hadn't opened the door right then. -I'm sorry, but Dee Bradley Baker shouldn't voice so many minor characters. Saesee Tinn, Bossk, the superintendant, the moogan, they all sound like Clones. Even when he does an accent, just the way he pauses lets me know it's him, and it's distracting. It's weird because in real life he sounds nothing like a Clone. He just can't do variation they way JAT can.
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Post by Star on Nov 11, 2018 1:03:31 GMT -5
More thoughts: -Watching in chronological order, it's a little weird to see Mandalore again just episodes after we left. It also makes the break where we really don't see Satine even more noticeable. -Also, if you include Jango Fett's helmet, this is the third arc in a row to feature Mandalorian armor. -Okay was it just me, or was Padme really handsy with Ahsoka? Like I thought she seemed dtf. No? No one else thought that? I swear they were gonna kiss if Typho hadn't opened the door right then. -I'm sorry, but Dee Bradley Baker shouldn't voice so many minor characters. Saesee Tinn, Bossk, the superintendant, the moogan, they all sound like Clones. Even when he does an accent, just the way he pauses lets me know it's him, and it's distracting. It's weird because in real life he sounds nothing like a Clone. He just can't do variation they way JAT can. Baker's background characters really stand out and it bothers me. Too many diverse characters sound too similar, and given they all happen to vocally resemble a clone, it's even weirder.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 11, 2018 2:46:18 GMT -5
Cat Taber’s characters all sound the same too. Really only JAT and Corey Burton convincingly change their voices.
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 13, 2018 19:34:48 GMT -5
Corruption and The Academy are both pretty boring... Thought it was really weird Satine ordered the warehouse to be burned down how is that helpful? She was acting kinda psycho at the end tbh... Also I don't really like how almost all the politicians are action heroes... It's weird. And it's very repetitive having everyone Satine knows betray her.. oh well.
Something exciting would've been to show some sort of epidemic on Mandalore.
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Post by Star on Nov 13, 2018 23:02:59 GMT -5
Corruption and The Academy are both pretty boring... Thought it was really weird Satine ordered the warehouse to be burned down how is that helpful? She was acting kinda psycho at the end tbh... Also I don't really like how almost all the politicians are action heroes... It's weird. And it's very repetitive having everyone Satine knows betray her.. oh well. Something exciting would've been to show some sort of epidemic on Mandalore. I find it strange that so many politicians we meet are so competent in fights, too. Maybe it could be explained as an encouraged ability for public officials, but honestly they just do it to have more action-packed stories.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 17, 2018 3:27:11 GMT -5
I think ARC Troopers works a bit better when viewed in release order. Honestly, the episode doesn't give 99, Echo, or Fives as big of a role to play. I think without seeing "Clone Cadets" right before you can almost forget it's their arc. The battle itself is pretty good but the setting doesn't allow for the heights of LAPR. This is probably Grievous' weakest post-S1 appearance. It just isn't that exciting to see him vs Obi-Wan and not much new is added here. Kinda the same with Anakin vs Ventress. Both are pretty tensionless and the only interesting moments come at the end. Colt and Havoc go out in some pretty lame ways so idk. Also Rex and Cody just randomly show up where they're supposed to. I don't know. I still really like this episode but it's easier to see its flaws now. Also Fives isn't all that interesting when Echo is still there. Still a cool epiosde though and certainly better than what we've been seeing, just not really as good as I remember. 7/10
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Post by Newan on Nov 19, 2018 0:50:47 GMT -5
Assassin is a decent backstory episode that kinda works cause they make Ahsoka seems really young and early in her studies. Although it’s weird to think Bobas arc happens before some of this Ziro stuff.
I wonder how Aurra gets out of prison, maybe in the riot but I think Bane would have teamed up with her if she was in there. They have a history.
Anyways I’ll say 7/10
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Post by Newan on Nov 19, 2018 0:51:14 GMT -5
There’s also some cameos like Leias robes from ANH and some OT music
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Nov 20, 2018 15:05:23 GMT -5
I think Star and Spider echoed my thoughts on the Mandalore stuff. Complex issues with simplistic execution, oddball character turns and not bad enough to be awfully memorable. They're just... there. Not exactly thoughts you'd have when we're talking about stories involving freaking Mandos
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 24, 2018 19:40:06 GMT -5
Assassin is alright I guess. If I was Padme I would've been mad at Ahsoka for being so annoying though... And why wasn't she believing Anakin when he was having dreams in ROTS when she's witnessed something similar
But Aurra was low key looking like a snack 😜😫💦🍑
I think we should've gotten like a 3-4 episode arc on Alderaan would've been cool to see the rest of the planet and not jus the inside of one building
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Post by Kenbo on Nov 24, 2018 20:00:21 GMT -5
ARC Troopers is nice. Surprised they started and finished an entire battle in one episode but I thought it flowed well. Felt like battlefront tbh lol
But I mean realistically, if anything happens to the DNA they can just get another template it's not that hard... Similar solution works for them having to stretch out Jango's DNA (which in itself doesn't make sense couldn't they just make copies or something...)
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Nov 27, 2018 12:12:31 GMT -5
One thing I will say about Assassin is that the music is killer. Some really good tunes came out of this one. It's also insightful to dwell further on the whole premonition aspect of the Force. Throwing in Alderaan doesn't hurt things either However I'm surprised Padme doesn't take the whole assassination threat even more seriously, considering she's been a recent near victim of it before. Hell, it's not even mentioned Again, we're stuck with another decent episode. The political thriller idea is okay, but weirdly, despite being a one-shot, this story kinda drags. We're also left with a pretty weird conclusion with Aurra. Not only does she get out and make a small time appearance later on, she also winds up unceremoniously killed by way of the name-drop easter egg in Solo. As villains go, she gets some bizarre handling. Ah, now ARC Troopers is much more like it. The first half is simply excellent, though I kinda wish we saw where all those octopus ships went. Their numbers kept changing throughout the episode I noticed The big problem for me is how all the Fives, Echo and 99 stuff felt a bit tacked on. What's more, Grievous needs to hire himself a new script writer. His dialogue is becoming a synonym for repetition. Then there's the elephant in the room, where this is Ventress' only appearance between some pretty vast gaps. My only guess was that they were seeing her as too much of a female Grievous in her role and took her in a new direction later on. Complaints aside, this is some of the best season 3 offers, though another episode might have served well in padding it out some more.
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Post by Spidyyr on Nov 27, 2018 12:23:06 GMT -5
I think the problem with ARC Troopers is that there’s too many major players. Obi-Wan, Anakin, Grievous, Ventress, Rex, Cody, and then finally Domino Squad. Everyone is siphoning attention from Echo, Fives, and 99. Maybe they could cut a few of them out. Like obviously Anakin needs to be here but why Obi-Wan? Did they just want everyone who had a minor part in Rookies to be a big player in this one? Maybe Anakin is blocked from coming back to the surface so the clones are more cut off and the situation feels more desperate. Just anyway to stop would should be the Domino Squad conclusion from dropping into boring retreads of duels we’ve already seen.
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