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Post by Newan on Sept 29, 2018 0:57:57 GMT -5
Holocron Heist is kinda forgettable too... I remember getting pretty hype though after they were hyping up their bounty hunters theme. The Felucia battle was a cool opening. This is also the first time we really see the Jedi temple properly. There was that tidbit with Mace and Yoda and Kit at the end of Lair of Grievous which honestly felt out of place but other than that we haven't seen it before. It felt a little empty though they should've had some more background characters. Also what's up with Todo being in Hunt for Ziro? Inconsistency or new droid...? Oh and I think they should've called the crystal something else since kyber crystals are in lightsabers Yeah there’s some weird interactions with the season 3 arc. Hostage Crisis and the Ziro stuff all take place later yet Kenobi only mentions the time Bane held the senate hostage. But st the end of Holocron heist it’s quite obvious that Kenobi didn’t know who Bane was, which is also kinda weird now days because Bane has been working since before TPM
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 11:30:11 GMT -5
Holocron Heist is kinda all over the place for me. I really like the Felcuia battle but the whole problem with Ahsoka feels pretty half-baked and forced. It's the same exact conflict from Storm over Ryloth except there's no actual resolution. It's basically forgotten about by the end of the episode, which is unfortunate. There seems to be no real point in this except to get Ahsoka in the library. It copies Storm over Ryloth but does it worse. Getting onto the rest of it, Bane is really cool and Todo isn't bad. The actual infiltration is predictable but cool. The best part for me is the visuals. You can tell there's been a serious step up in quality here and I'm glad they waited until Season 2 to show the temple because it looks beautiful here. Everything kinda looked the same in Season 1, but just the look of things here promises a stronger season and not more of the same. Also there were lots of Jedi in this episode which is good. I like most of the episode but I hate the tacked on Ahsoka conflict. 6/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 11:40:44 GMT -5
Which brings me to Cargo of Doom. If you didn't know, this episode was produced during Season 1. In fact, it was done before "The New Padawan," meaning the entire Battle of Christophsis was done after this. It kinda shows as in this in many ways looks like a Season 1 epiosde, and it is one of the final episodes to take place entirely on ships. This also kinda explains why some things don't mesh all that well with what's come before. For instance, Yularen is strangely off here. He's pretty disrespectful and that's jarring after watching "Storm over Ryloth," which was produced after. And all of Devaron was shoved in the intro. I get the feeling that if this was done during Season 2's production, we would have seen some of this battle. However, the actual writing is what elevates this episode beyond something like "Duel of the Droids." Despite the setting, this episodes is badass and full of great moments. I get the feeling the writers knew for a while that this episode was gonna challenge the more Saturday morning-ish feeling of what came before. Ropal's death is pretty gruesome and isn't like anything we'd seen before. The Zero-G battle was also really cool. Bane is just a great villain and is far more intimidating than any we had seen before. He never feels as cartoonishly evil as Grievous or as arbitrarily unhinged as Ventress. His takedown and bargaining of Ahsoka was really cold and truly cemented him as a threat. I really wanted this season to be full of episodes like this. 8/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 11:47:35 GMT -5
Children of the Force is exciting if the somewhat underwhelming conclusion to the arc. I like how many characters and settings they managed to throw into this though I wish we could spend more time with all of them. The first half of the episode is pure chaos. It's really fun but it feels somewhat out of place after the last episode's focus. I would have liked more of a final showdown against Bane. He escapes, he escapes, he is easily defeated, he escapes. He also gets away with a good seven minutes left in the episode, which I can't help but be disappointed by. Okay, this is kinda nitpicky, but how did Anakin and Ahsoka find the facility? They knew Bane went to Mustafar, but how did they know he went to that exact facility? Whatever. The concept of stealing babies is appropriately dark as is the willingness to use them as shields. The ending mission is well done but I can't help but wish the conclusion had involved Bane more. The arc just feels a bit disjointed and that's no doubt in part due to the second episode being the first produced. 7/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 11:57:28 GMT -5
Bounty Hunters is a fun episode and it was nice to see Hondo here and as an outright villain. Also, it was interesting that the bounty hunters were actually fighting alongside Jedi. I wish they didn't reveal Hondo being here before the episode aired so it would seem as though the Jedi would be defending the pirates from bounty hunters. Embo is, of course, the stand out of the hunters and it's no wonder they decided to keep him around and use him as a villain. I have a few issues though. One is the pacing. Like "Liberty on Ryloth," things just seem to happen too fast. Anakin starts training the farmers and we never actually watch the improve. In the next scene, they all just know how to fight. Pacing is a common problem for the show (I also found "Rookies" to not have good pacing when I saw it again) likely due to time constraints. Also, after we just saw the Republic lose Felucia in the last arc, it's strange they would have a medical bay there. The Separatists seem to control the planet until "Padawan Lost" so it would have made more sense to me if this episode took place before "Holocron Heist." But anyway, the episode is still really enjoyable and unique for a Clone Wars episode. Even though I wish it had a few more minutes to breathe, it's a perfectly serviceable standalone. 6/10
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Post by Star on Sept 29, 2018 12:06:30 GMT -5
Holocron Heist is kinda forgettable too... I remember getting pretty hype though after they were hyping up their bounty hunters theme. The Felucia battle was a cool opening. This is also the first time we really see the Jedi temple properly. There was that tidbit with Mace and Yoda and Kit at the end of Lair of Grievous which honestly felt out of place but other than that we haven't seen it before. It felt a little empty though they should've had some more background characters. Also what's up with Todo being in Hunt for Ziro? Inconsistency or new droid...? Oh and I think they should've called the crystal something else since kyber crystals are in lightsabers I'm pretty sure Bane rebuilt Todo for his appearance in S3.
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 29, 2018 12:26:14 GMT -5
Holocron Heist is kinda forgettable too... I remember getting pretty hype though after they were hyping up their bounty hunters theme. The Felucia battle was a cool opening. This is also the first time we really see the Jedi temple properly. There was that tidbit with Mace and Yoda and Kit at the end of Lair of Grievous which honestly felt out of place but other than that we haven't seen it before. It felt a little empty though they should've had some more background characters. Also what's up with Todo being in Hunt for Ziro? Inconsistency or new droid...? Oh and I think they should've called the crystal something else since kyber crystals are in lightsabers I'm pretty sure Bane rebuilt Todo for his appearance in S3. I heard that Anakin rebuilt Todo to try and learn more about Bane (and probably who he was working for) but Todo escaped and returned to Bane. But it's weird how Bane had him in "Evil Plans" and "Hunt for Ziro" but randomly doesn't in Hostage Crisis.
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Post by Star on Sept 29, 2018 18:39:02 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Bane rebuilt Todo for his appearance in S3. I heard that Anakin rebuilt Todo to try and learn more about Bane (and probably who he was working for) but Todo escaped and returned to Bane. But it's weird how Bane had him in "Evil Plans" and "Hunt for Ziro" but randomly doesn't in Hostage Crisis. I'm kind of glad Todo doesn't appear in Hostage Crisis, since I think his comedic personality would've taken away some of the intensity of the episode. I guess you could explain it by saying Bane didn't bring Todo with him unless he felt it was necessary.
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Post by Kenbo on Sept 29, 2018 19:56:38 GMT -5
Yeah I really like bounty hunters. It does feel like it goes too fast but I also wouldn't want it to feel stretched out if it was multiple episodes. Also Felucia looks really good. But not sure how well this lines up chronologically... I mean they were just on Felucia.. This episode could've been before the holocron arc tbh. Interesting how much time is spent there though because they come back in the Chewbacca arc and then Aayla eventually is there as well... Hmm.
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Post by Spidyyr on Sept 30, 2018 1:01:03 GMT -5
Oh yeah forgot. Stolen Separatist Shuttle Count: 4
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Oct 3, 2018 15:09:45 GMT -5
Watched the Bane arc. First off, Cad really stands out as a terrific villain. He's cunning and despicable like Grievous, or Ventress but not over the top and more tactical. Thanks to being just a bounty hunter the writers have to add a tricky intelligence, which I enjoy. He's also the harbinger of the more brutal themes TCW would avidly explore later down the line. That said, Holocron Heist didn't fuly grasp me. I like the battle scenes, the mood set in Bane's place and Todo, but there's some wrong pieces here. Ahsoka, as Spider pointed out, gets a repeat in character development (seemingly forgetting what she learned previously...) and doesn't get any resolution. There's also the fact that I think they could've spared a lot more Jedi in checking the vents than just good ol' Ani and Obi. Still, fairly fun. Cargo of Doom really takes it up a notch in terms of action scenes, but again falters with Ahsoka being blindly impulsive and not even trying some patience again. I've also always wondered how that switcheroo with Denal worked. Did he knock him out first and switch their clothes, or was he using the body as a puppet? Regardless, I had some fun, especially with how obvious the stolen Seperatist shuttle trope is turning into a running gag Children of the Force though is the favourite for me. I know a more proper showdown with Bane would've been cool, but I still liked what we got. Jumping from tonnes of locations (this episode must hold a record for it), the awesomely creepy mind trick scene, Palpatine's messed up plan that may, or may not subtly hint towards Mara Jade starting out as one of these unique agents and the general chase theme going on. Sure, it kinda drags a bit by the end, but it's one of the best season 2 episode, now that I've seen it again.
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Post by Maverick-Jedi-Valen on Oct 6, 2018 1:27:11 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, Bounty Hunters. I like the Kurosawa inspiration here, Embo is boss and Felucia's always a pleasure to see again. However, considering how villainous and out for himself he was, I really can't believe Hondo mellowed out enough to hep out Ezra in Rebels. Makes his turn there super bizarre, but I digress. The killer for the episode here is pacing. A few extra minutes would've done it really, but unfortunately we're left with something that just too brief in some areas.
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Post by Star on Feb 13, 2019 14:33:17 GMT -5
Hmm... I need to catch up on this. C'mon Pinda, we're already on S5.
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Post by Pinda on Feb 13, 2019 18:53:22 GMT -5
Hmm... I need to catch up on this. C'mon Pinda, we're already on S5. Yeah... I have been surprisingly busy recently... and at some point I felt like I was too far behind to catch-up...
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Post by Star on Feb 13, 2019 19:03:19 GMT -5
C'mon Pinda, we're already on S5. Yeah... I have been surprisingly busy recently... and at some point I felt like I was too far behind to catch-up... You could always skip around and watch the episodes you want to most.
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Post by Pinda on Feb 13, 2019 19:15:43 GMT -5
Yeah... I have been surprisingly busy recently... and at some point I felt like I was too far behind to catch-up... You could always skip around and watch the episodes you want to most. When I hand in my thesis for the second time next week I will have lots of time... I might just go for a full rewatch some time in March.
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