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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 17, 2018 18:00:52 GMT -5
All right let's keep trekking. Just a few more episodes where Grievous is always the bad guy and always loses. Yeah. Let's see how they hold up.
August 17th - 23th 2018
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 17, 2018 22:24:25 GMT -5
I like these episodes
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Post by Star on Aug 18, 2018 10:25:54 GMT -5
Rookies is an episode a lot of casual viewers or even critics seem to praise. It's no doubt a stronger episode from S1, but it didn't hold up quite as well as I expected. Maybe later clone episodes like ARC Troopers and Umbara affect this, but I tried to judge this episode individually. The story is very cool and having Rex and Cody work together and display their unique personalities was good. I also liked the introduction to the Commando Droids, and the Separatist threat did feel real, even though this episode continues a losing streak for Grievous.
Animation looked a little bad at times, but maybe it was difficult because the Rishi Moon is a physically dark setting. The interactions between the characters were fun, and with the previous watching of Clone Cadets, Hevy's death had a bigger impact. Cutup and Droidbait were still pretty expendable though, except for their few lines in the beginning.
I'll give Rookies a 7/10. Still a solid episode, but it wasn't quite as good as I had remembered.
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Post by Fisto on Aug 18, 2018 17:35:26 GMT -5
Rookies will always be one of my favorites. It still surprises me that they were allowed to put in the word “hell” after cutup gets eaten by the eal.
Also, what was up with the music during the droid arc? Was there ever a reason for why it was so techno and different?
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Post by Star on Aug 18, 2018 19:31:51 GMT -5
Rookies will always be one of my favorites. It still surprises me that they were allowed to put in the word “hell” after cutup gets eaten by the eal. Also, what was up with the music during the droid arc? Was there ever a reason for why it was so techno and different? Given that some of the films had mild language, I guess they figured it'd be fine to include a little in TCW. But besides this episode and one of the Ryloth episodes, they stopped that I think. I haven't watched the droid arc yet, but I'm guessing it was something they liked early on in production. The movie included it, but I'm not sure if it's used anywhere else. Although the music is kind of cool and works with their respective scenes, it doesn't really feel like Star Wars to me.
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 18, 2018 19:47:34 GMT -5
Rookies is solid. Great writing, I thought Rex's "Roger Roger" and Hevy's "I don't" were pretty badass moments.... Cool how Mimban in Solo stemmed from the mention in this episode. I doubt they really had any concepts of Mimban at the time but it would've been nice to see something like what we saw in Solo in TCW.
Also I like how this episode greatly contributes to the overall war without just being a battle. Kamino would be a priority target for the Separatists so it makes sense to see them trying to capture it here and in ARC Troopers. Though if Rishi is so important, maybe they could've stationed a Jedi or two there just in case.
I'm pretty sure the TV airing of this episode censored "hell" meaning the word isn't allowed on CN. Not sure why they'd write that in the script then unless it was DBB slightly altering the lines or saying it by accident
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Post by Star on Aug 18, 2018 20:28:49 GMT -5
Also I like how this episode greatly contributes to the overall war without just being a battle. Kamino would be a priority target for the Separatists so it makes sense to see them trying to capture it here and in ARC Troopers. Though if Rishi is so important, maybe they could've stationed a Jedi or two there just in case. I agree. The fact they make an episode about something so crucial to the war that isn't a battle is a great change of pace. It's also something believable and very enjoyable versus something like the S5 droid arc that wasn't as essential or realistic.
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 18, 2018 22:01:22 GMT -5
Rookies will always be one of my favorites. It still surprises me that they were allowed to put in the word “hell” after cutup gets eaten by the eal. Also, what was up with the music during the droid arc? Was there ever a reason for why it was so techno and different? Oh yeah forgot about the music. Idk. Seemed like some weird style thing they were trying out that they dropped. (It's in TCW movie too)
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Post by Newan on Aug 19, 2018 10:44:51 GMT -5
Rookies has always been a top episode of season 1, I would give it an 8/10. It's weird though how in chronological order Arc Troopers takes place so far away when Ventress was already on Kamino, not sure if that was a slip up when making rookies or Ventress was actually on Kamino for a really long time. Come to think of it I don't think Ventress appears at all in season 2, and her last season 1 appearance (Hidden Enemy) takes place before the movie.
Its kinda interesting how for the opening narrations because they didn't have enough content released they had to use clips from future episodes, like there was clips from Lair of Grievous in the opening of Rookiees.
Also never noticed that Anakin mentions Balmorra from SWTOR.
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Post by Newan on Aug 19, 2018 10:46:29 GMT -5
This was the first real clone centric episode released in the show that would eventually lead into bigger arcs like Citadel, Umbara and Fives arc.
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 19, 2018 10:59:56 GMT -5
Rookies has always been a top episode of season 1, I would give it an 8/10. It's weird though how in chronological order Arc Troopers takes place so far away when Ventress was already on Kamino, not sure if that was a slip up when making rookies or Ventress was actually on Kamino for a really long time. Come to think of it I don't think Ventress appears at all in season 2, and her last season 1 appearance (Hidden Enemy) takes place before the movie. Its kinda interesting how for the opening narrations because they didn't have enough content released they had to use clips from future episodes, like there was clips from Lair of Grievous in the opening of Rookiees. Also never noticed that Anakin mentions Balmorra from SWTOR. It would make more sense if Rookies took place after Cloak of Darkness and that would imply that she could have been on Kamino for all of Season 2.
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 19, 2018 11:51:34 GMT -5
Also never noticed that Anakin mentions Balmorra from SWTOR. Well it's more a reference to the Malevolence arc. They go through Balmorra Run which was near the Malevolence so Grievous would've gone there after fleeing
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 20, 2018 7:52:18 GMT -5
It’s hard really to know to what to say about Rookies as it’s been talked about so much and is hard to forget since it set up characters that recurred throughout the whole show. I will say that it doesn’t perfectly line up with “Clone Cadets.” Like the line about clones being put into service before their training is complete makes little sense now. This episode is regarded as one of the best and it probably is still up there as far as standalones go. But we would see a lot better in arcs as we got into the show. I don’t know why Grievous had to be in this. Yes, I know he eventually is part of the attack on Kamino but it’s kinda strange that we have him in six straight episodes. The Commando Droids were undoubtedly cool and were a much needed addition to the show. But also cool how it’s the Battle Droids who end up being the greater challenge. The episode is not as great as I remember, feeling rushed in parts, but it is still the best we’ve seen in the rewatch so far. 7/10 I would’ve given it higher when it came out but I want to leave plenty of room for what’s to come.
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 20, 2018 8:07:52 GMT -5
The first thing you’ll notice about Downfall of a Droid is that it looks like complete Potato Rules. Okay, not really. The animation does look unfinished in some places, but it isn’t too distracting. (Hard to complain after that Resistance trailer) But anyway, the episode is just okay. Honestly it might be one of the weakest of season one but that doesn’t make it awful. Anakin is appropriately snarky in this episode but Ahsoka is more annoying here than she was in Malevolence. It’s kinda funny how they talk about a series of devastating losses when we just saw a couple of wins against Grievous. Like I know it’s been some time but from what has been shown so far, it’s a little hard to be that scared of Grievous. I hadn’t noticed it before, but Gha Nackt has a weird texture to him that I don’t think comes off that well. The IG fight is cool, even if they really don’t feel that threatening either. 4/10
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Post by Newan on Aug 20, 2018 19:24:00 GMT -5
I’m not sure if Downfall of a Droid is a fan film or an episode that had a $10000 or less budget... the animation looks particularly bad in this episode and at times it looks like something done on Microsoft paint. The voice acting is like really bad, honestly I’m not sure why Rex sounded so weird at times, like it wasn’t even Baker voicing him. Only voice actor that did good in this episode was Matthew Wood.
Oh and there’s barley any traditional Star Wars music used which is why it comes across as a fan film that wouldn’t have the rights to the music...
I guess one thing I reflected on though was that TCW season 1 actually kinda feels like Rebels season 1 in some ways, almost the entire season is connected. You have all this grievous stuff for the first 10 episodes just about where Anakin and Kenobi are hunting him and then it even flows fairly well into the second half with more Anakin, Kenobi and Ashoka adventures. Idk it just has that feel where everything is connected more so then other seasons. Ambush and Hidden Enemy are like the two exceptions, take those out and it’s basicslly the Anakin, Kenobi and Ashoka adventure for 20 episodes
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Post by Newan on Aug 20, 2018 19:25:52 GMT -5
Anyways Downfall of a Droid is a 2/10... quality wise it’s the worst episode in the show.... story wise it’s also pretty bad. Keep in mind the lowest score I’ve given so far is a 6 although if I was around for the last couple weeks then one of the Malevolence episodes may have got a 5
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Post by Newan on Aug 20, 2018 19:34:11 GMT -5
Actually adventures of Anakin, Kenobi, Ashoka and Padme since she’s featured prominently in season 1 as well...
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 20, 2018 20:04:06 GMT -5
It’s a little bit strange how this was produced in between parts of Terh but some how looks a lot worse.
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 20, 2018 20:51:56 GMT -5
Yeah I feel there are inconsistencies in the animation. This looked worse than some of the previous episodes. It looked like cutscenes from TCW video game tbh. At the end Anakin was missing an entire piece of his tunic and it was very obvious and weird.
But otherwise this is a very fun episode for me. Anakin is really cute and I kinda like how there is an interconnected story about hunting Grievous. I feel like they reused that shot of him escaping in his fighter from Destroy Malevolence lol
Idk fun episodes with some production flaws. Maybe it was one of the first episodes they animated even if it was released later on
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 20, 2018 21:20:30 GMT -5
Duel is good too. Honestly I just find these episodes a lot of fun guys. Anakin, Ahsoka, R2 and the Twilight are a good combination. If the entire series was about them flying around getting orders from Obi-Wan I would not have minded. I think this is the last of those types of episodes where they’re just in space or on ships. After that the budget must’ve increased. Animation looked more normal in this one than Downfall. Idk... But I swear they use that same fucking footage each time Grievous runs away.
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 20, 2018 21:22:30 GMT -5
Kinda wish they would’ve continued with having an interconnected story. It was nice how most of the episodes could be related to the war effort. They moved past doing that later on
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 20, 2018 23:34:38 GMT -5
“Castle of Deception” was the first episode animated, which had the AT-TEs scaling the monestary in the movie. Then was “Downfall of a Droid” and then “Castle of Doom” and “Castle of Salvation.”
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Post by Star on Aug 21, 2018 12:14:08 GMT -5
After watching Downfall of a Droid, it's amazing to see how far the animation in TCW has progressed. The animation here is pretty bad, but that's mostly because I'm used to the later seasons. However, this episode's animation was still very poor even for S1 standards.
I kind of agree with Newan that this episode almost felt like fan-made due to the weak animation and music selection. The story itself is okay, but it's far from exciting. I don't get why Grievous put so much effort into getting R2 though. Did he know it would be valuable, or was he just guessing that because it was paired with a Jedi that it might be important? That part of the plot was always a bit odd to me.
Ahsoka has some of her most annoying moments in this episode, and the other characters all seem off as well. Grievous was made out to be menacing in the opening crawl, but this episode really undermines that idea unfortunately. Definitely my least favorite episode of the rewatch so far.
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Post by Star on Aug 21, 2018 12:20:33 GMT -5
Duel of the Droids is a slight improvement over the previous episode, but not by much. It's so satisfying when R2 returns, since R3-S6 annoyed me a lot. This episode weakens Grievous even further. I don't mind that he lost, but his defeat here is a lot more pathetic compared to Rookies or the Malevolence arc.
I like the whole idea of a small group aboard the Twilight attempting to infiltrate the Separatist outpost, and the battle droid humor was pretty good in this episode. Everything felt too easy for Anakin and his crew though, which makes the overall plot a little boring at times.
The animation did appear better, but that's probably due to this one being produced later (or I adjusted to the quality by this point and didn't realize). Also, Kenobi, you're right about them using the same escape footage of Grievous lol
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Post by Star on Aug 21, 2018 13:27:23 GMT -5
Kinda wish they would’ve continued with having an interconnected story. It was nice how most of the episodes could be related to the war effort. They moved past doing that later on I think TCW had a good balance. I liked the earlier seasons giving us a more interconnected feel, but I also really enjoyed when the series chose to move beyond just the war effort and focus on other aspects of the galaxy during the conflict in later seasons. That's when the show gave us some of the best stories. It also allowed for more diverse stories to be told and more characters to share the spotlight beyond the main few.
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 21, 2018 16:00:30 GMT -5
“Castle of Deception” was the first episode animated, which had the AT-TEs scaling the monestary in the movie. Then was “Downfall of a Droid” and then “Castle of Doom” and “Castle of Salvation.” Right they used to title arcs similarly which I thought was cool.
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Post by Star on Aug 21, 2018 16:01:57 GMT -5
The droid arc kind of serves as a buzzkill for the nostalgia of watching S1 again. Even if the other episodes aren't amazing, they're at least pretty decent quality so far. I can't say I hate this arc, but these episodes are among my least favorite of the entire series.
Downfall of a Droid: 3/10 Duel of the Droids: 4.5/10
Droid arc: 3.75/10
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Post by Spidyyr on Aug 21, 2018 16:02:35 GMT -5
“Castle of Deception” was the first episode animated, which had the AT-TEs scaling the monestary in the movie. Then was “Downfall of a Droid” and then “Castle of Doom” and “Castle of Salvation.” Right they used to title arcs similarly which I thought was cool. I like how they randomly did it with the last two episodes of the Mortis arc but not the first.
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Post by Kenbo on Aug 21, 2018 16:04:57 GMT -5
The droid arc kind of serves as a buzzkill for the nostalgia of watching S1 again. I got more nostalgic by these episodes tbh. When I think TCW I think of these early episodes
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Post by Star on Aug 21, 2018 16:09:03 GMT -5
The droid arc kind of serves as a buzzkill for the nostalgia of watching S1 again. I got more nostalgic by these episodes tbh. When I think TCW I think of these early episodes I still have good memories of watching these episodes, even though this arc was never a favorite of mine. Despite all of it though, they do have a certain charm about them that makes it so I can't hate them.
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